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Jessie_luvs_Muraki



Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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Location: Prancing under the Sakura trees *gets kicked out of park by officials* Damn...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Come and welcome me! Reply with quote

Hmm, I think my topic line was a bit demanding. Meh, it's ok, I've made myself at home already. So start fearing, Muraki-haters! *cackles evilly*

This isn't technically my first post but it IS the first one where I properly introduced myself instead of butting in on threads.

So hi, my name's Jessie and even though Muraki is evil most, ALL, of the time I still like him, even when NOT in AU fics. There's an alluring quality to him, that and he looks damn good in a trenchcoat Cool XDDDD.

All jokings aside, ppl usually see him as a villan and yes, while he is NOT to be pitied he shouldn't be trashed so harshly, either. You have to find a balance and think of his past and the REASONS for his actions, no matter how twisted they were!

[End Rant]

*Braces self*
Don't hurt me....
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Location: Tatsumi's desk O: (Scandalous >3)

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WELCOME :DDDDDDD *bonecrunching glomp* x333

Ha. I was first x3 I'm winning :DDDDD
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Jessie_luvs_Muraki



Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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Location: Prancing under the Sakura trees *gets kicked out of park by officials* Damn...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm prolly not gonna get many warm welcomes b/c of my lil liking for Mur/Tsu or just Muraki in general but it's OK! I know that many ppl dislike/hate Muraki and it's fine if you don't! I mean, I don't hate Hisoka just because I like Muraki.

I get the feeling this is a more Hisoka forum and I guess just sticks to the lighter side of YnM? Maybe I'm getting the wrong vibe, or maybe I've just been in the deep, dark, murky, depths of the fanfiction.net forums for too long. XDDD
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Rhea-sama



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Location: Tatsumi's desk O: (Scandalous >3)

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um it might be more of a "Watari" forum.. due to my.. prolific writing and.. rabbid fangirlness on the subject XDDD

Hisoka used to be my fave though.. then Watari all of a sudden took over. XD No idea what that's about.
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willag



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
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Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hold no grudges against you. Actually, I'm hoping you could help me with a problem I have.

Y'see, I just can't see or imagine how anyone could actually... like Muraki. It confuses me. And maybe if I get some more viewpoints I could possibly, y'know, not hate him as much.

Actually, my own hatred for Muraki kinda worries me at times. I feel almost bad for so willingly dislike a character... it makes me as sadistic as him, and I don't like that.

I feel sorry for the guy, after reading the manga and about his past. It's not like he was born evil. It's just... his fall into insanity is not his fault, but the choices he made along the way are, and I just can't respect or like him for that at all. I can't respect murderers, and I dislike rapists even more. Especially rapists who torture children... it's sick, disgusting, and degrading.

And yet, even while I say this, I'd like to be able to forgive the guy, and sometimes I can... depending upon the fanfic I read or moment in the manga I look over, but then it all comes back, and it's like the whole problem Hisoka had with Tsubaki... he just was too scared to face the man that she saw... except, in this case, I'm too scared to see the man other people are fascinated with.

The dislike usually returns again when I read about people liking him for his sadistic personality, or that they like dark, angsty MuTsu stories. I've read them once or twice before, and yeah they're... intiguing I guess the word is? Y'know, where you feel like you should turn away but you just can't? But they're also highly sickening and gross and painful... b/c they could quite possibly happen. And then I wonder again, why would anyone want that to happen?

Maybe that's just a person's natural fascination for dark things. I seem to have moments like that as well. Maybe that's the first step of understanding these differing viewpoints.

Still, I always want to ask people, how would you feel if you were raped or tortured or your best friend was or your parents or your siblings?

Meh, it's like I'm trying to work myself up. And I shouldn't. I'm trying to understand the people that like him, not work myself up against them.

Perhaps if we can reach some sort of agreement with the Muraki in each other, things could work out better.

(*SNORT* Though this totally grosses me out, I'm looking back on that last sentence and realizing all of the sexual innuendoes that come with it. See, it never fails, my horny mind is always active, even if it ends up digging me into my grave).

And I think I completely ruined the whole serious mood I was going for there with that one sentence and observation.

Anywho, welcome to the forum.

(And sorry if my harsh words against him in other posts hurt you. It was never meant to be a personal attack... just a venting against the bastard... oops, did it again. I shall shut up now).

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suzoka



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahh welcome to the forum Jessie,

to be frank I hate Muraki only because of what he did to Hisoka. that's about it. I'm a Hisoka fan! all the way! I don't really mind his twisted way of thinking it makes Yami no Matsuie interesting. ^__^

and to think I actually like a Muraki and Hisoka pair (twisted nee? ^_^). but my favorite pair will always be Tsuzuki and Hisoka! Very Happy

glad to see your comfortable here. ^____^
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Jani_chan



Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Location: Enma's bed

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, Murakilover-san,

Or would Jessie suffice? Oh well. I don't totally dislike Muraki. In fact, I'm told that I do quite the job of portraying him in RPs^^ I hafta get ready for work, so this is depressingly short, but welcome, dear^^

enjoy your stay, kk?^^ We're all nice people

BTW, my normal RP character is Hijiri, so if you happen to wander into the chatroom during an RP and you see Hijiri there, it's a 99.999999% chance it's me^^
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pyro_o



Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: somewhere over the Rainbow....

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AW, DAMN. I'M LATE AGAIN. *pokes comatose!coco* I'm fastar than you. But RHEA STOP HAUNTING THE FORUMS. XDDDDDDDDD

my chatroom name is Ayumu Kasuga, same as my dead ff.net account. and I'm your resident hyperactive nothing-er here.

Muraki is a very,, very,, un-nice guy. and yes, he looks DAMN good in a trenchcoat. What I wouldn't give to see the man wear something that isn't white. XDDD

welcome to the forums. Very Happy
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Yami no Kaze



Joined: 01 Aug 2006
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Location: g51-15 Ataries (it's a star)

PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not sure anyone on this forum hates muraki. i like to use him as a good plot devise to turture tsuzuki. and i have two mur/tsu fics in the fanfics section here.

i'm more of a tsuzuki fan myself, however my character on the chat rooms is usually hisoka. where ever hijiri is, hisoka is likely to also be.

^^ welcome.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

willag wrote:
I hold no grudges against you. Actually, I'm hoping you could help me with a problem I have.

Y'see, I just can't see or imagine how anyone could actually... like Muraki. It confuses me. And maybe if I get some more viewpoints I could possibly, y'know, not hate him as much.

Actually, my own hatred for Muraki kinda worries me at times. I feel almost bad for so willingly dislike a character... it makes me as sadistic as him, and I don't like that.

I feel sorry for the guy, after reading the manga and about his past. It's not like he was born evil. It's just... his fall into insanity is not his fault, but the choices he made along the way are, and I just can't respect or like him for that at all. I can't respect murderers, and I dislike rapists even more. Especially rapists who torture children... it's sick, disgusting, and degrading.

And yet, even while I say this, I'd like to be able to forgive the guy, and sometimes I can... depending upon the fanfic I read or moment in the manga I look over, but then it all comes back, and it's like the whole problem Hisoka had with Tsubaki... he just was too scared to face the man that she saw... except, in this case, I'm too scared to see the man other people are fascinated with.

The dislike usually returns again when I read about people liking him for his sadistic personality, or that they like dark, angsty MuTsu stories. I've read them once or twice before, and yeah they're... intiguing I guess the word is? Y'know, where you feel like you should turn away but you just can't? But they're also highly sickening and gross and painful... b/c they could quite possibly happen. And then I wonder again, why would anyone want that to happen?

Maybe that's just a person's natural fascination for dark things. I seem to have moments like that as well. Maybe that's the first step of understanding these differing viewpoints.

Still, I always want to ask people, how would you feel if you were raped or tortured or your best friend was or your parents or your siblings?

Meh, it's like I'm trying to work myself up. And I shouldn't. I'm trying to understand the people that like him, not work myself up against them.

Perhaps if we can reach some sort of agreement with the Muraki in each other, things could work out better.

(*SNORT* Though this totally grosses me out, I'm looking back on that last sentence and realizing all of the sexual innuendoes that come with it. See, it never fails, my horny mind is always active, even if it ends up digging me into my grave).

And I think I completely ruined the whole serious mood I was going for there with that one sentence and observation.

Anywho, welcome to the forum.

(And sorry if my harsh words against him in other posts hurt you. It was never meant to be a personal attack... just a venting against the bastard... oops, did it again. I shall shut up now).


^^;; i know you asked her, but i'd like to give my input if you don't mind. I don't like anime muraki. he's calulating, he knows exactly what he's doing and oft times he has more than one reason for doing it. he's far too pale imo and just...creepy. pedophile like creepy.

but manga muraki isn't quite so sane. he has some idea of what he's doing, but he's insane enough that he's quite forgivable. he's dangerous, and sexy, and beautiful. not quite so cold and not quite so creepy. it took me a rather long time to like him actually. it was very hard to get over what he did to hisoka, as the paralels there are a bit scary with my own life, but once i started reading the manga, things made more sense. in places *especially the direct japanese* you can tell he's insane. completely doesn't have a string left to hold on to crazy. and that's what makes his actions forgivable. you really can't hold someones actions against them when they can't fully grasp the concequences.

^^;; anyway, that's just me. *ducks* no one kill me please!!!!!



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