Pairings you don't like?

Hyperaesthesia · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 24

I hope this is allowed. If not, I won't complain when it disappears.

So what pairings don't you get in YnM? Whether it's pairings that you hate or get squicked by, pairings that seem unlikely or pairings that you just don't 'get' the appeal in.

YnM is unusual for me, since in most fandoms I stick to a handful of pairings unless something sounds really interesting or well-written. But there's very little I won't try in YnM fanfiction. The only one I really don't like is romantic, fluffylicious Muraki/Tsuzuki. Creepy, obsessive, guilt-ridden Muraki/Tsuzuki I do like, but I can't see them in a normal relationship at all. Firstly, Muraki doesn't seem entirely sure what he wants to do with Tsuzuki, and secondly, Tsuzuki isn't going to forget that Muraki has murdered and tortured quite a lot of people, including his partner. The only way I can see a reciprocal relationship working if is Tsuzuki's character dramatically changed.. maybe not neccessarily OOC, but perhaps if he underwent a massive breakdown, stopped caring about everything and did have the darker side that Muraki keeps referring to. That could be interesting if it was done well (and awful if it wasn't). But without a lot of character development, I really don't see Muraki and Tsuzuki frolicking off into the sunset any time soon.

So, anyone else? Discussion is good, but obviously, let's keep things civil.

Paurie · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:47 am Post subject:

Things I've seen out there that I don't like... XD

Hisoka/Tatsumi
Hisoka/Watari
Hisoka/Muraki :O
Muraki/Tatsumi.....

Let me just saw what I do like and save alot of time. Very Happy

Hisoka/Tsuzuki, Tsuzuki/Tatsumi, Tatsumi/Watari, and I think a Watari/Tsuzuki is pretty cute. X3 (Muraki, no men for you! :O)
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Rhea-sama · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:

What I hate about 99.9% of MurTsu fics out there is that they COMPLETELY IGNORE HISOKA. I mean.. honestly. Our little near and dear empath Devensive McPricklypants is NOT going to be 'okay' with that.

And then they tend to ignore Tsuzuki's feelings for Hisoka too.

I don't mind them, but.. I can't stand them not done well. (IE ignoring the actual YnM universe for the sake of 'hot/dark man smex)

Actually that last thought sums up most of what I don't like about 'poorly written' pairings or whatever XD

There has to be more to a story than "OMG THEY R SOOO HOTZ TOGEZZER"

...and that's a lot of caps because I'm too lazy to use the formating keys right now.. but it's.. 5 AM XD
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admin · Site Admin Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 1008

I'm the kind of person that likes all pairings, and loves a handful out of them. And theres always the ones I like less than others but I very rarely hate them, I just don't look for them as a core of the story. Overall it's how it is done as oppose to what is done with me.

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Hyperaesthesia · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 24

Paurie · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject:

Heh... I would read it, though. You sound like you have a good writing style. :3
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admin · Site Admin Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 1008

^^; I just realised I like read most of the pairings Paurie loathes lol

I didn't like Tsu/Mur much I KNOW there is good stuff on this pairing out there somewhere, I just can't find it, though I have to admit I haven't been looking very hard for YnM fics lately, so that could be it as well. Because I wasn't much of a fan on the pairing I wrote a very short one shot on it here. Read if your interested: http://yaminomatsuei.myfreeforum.org/ftopic80.php

And I look forward to Blaises Tsu/Mur fic as well. Good luck.
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laustic · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 660 Location: Florida

I can't stand the Muraki/Tsuzuki pairing. I simply cannot buy that Tsuzki would ever want or love Muraki. Tsuzuki loves humanity way too much to develope feelings for someone who wants to destroy it.

admin · Site Admin Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 1008

*sweatdrop* just realised Blaise said Tatsumi/Muraki and not Tsuzuki/Muraki, my mistake.

I love every pairing if done right as I said in my ff.net rambles and here already. I just find it baffling when others see Tsuzuki's love directed towards Tatsumi or Muraki instead of Hisoka, or the other two options as being more canon than Tsusoka. I mean, love whatever pairing you like, ship it all you want, but don't get deluded about the actual original story, or put other pairings down. Everyone has their preferences.

I'm laid back, lay it on me if it's good and I'll read it. Crazy old me. I love my crack.

Back to Blaise, now I am DEFINTELY excited about reading that. If you do get round to writing it, please do post it here.
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Veleda · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 126 Location: State of Denial

This is a delicate subject, with much potential for disaster, but I'm jumping in anyway. I have such strong opinions on this. I just can't resist when actually asked.

I strongly dislike all consensual Muraki/Shinigami fics. Honestly, they make me a little nervous. Do people understand how sick it would be, how uncaring you'd have to be to date someone who raped and/or tortured a friend of yours. I believe that Shinigami are good people at heart. Entering a relationship with Muraki would be beyond cruel to Tsuzuki and/or Hisoka.

I posted my feelings on Muraki/Tsuzuki in locked post in my lj. I'm reposting it here.

I really, really dislike the Muraki/Tsuzuki pairing, at least as a consensual relationship. Why? Lots of reasons. First is the fact that Muraki is bugfuck insane. I doubt he'd even be able to understand how to have an even somewhat normal relationship with Tsuzuki.

Another reason? Ok, fangirls, listen closely: rape is not love, and molestation is not heavy flirting. Both of these things are assault, and they are bad. Sheesh, do we really have to go over this. Muraki's harassment does not mean "wow, he tries so hard. He really deserves Tsuzuki." Yes, I have heard that argument before. If I try really hard to cheat on a test (hey, better than studying), does that mean I deserve an A? Of course not. Immoral behavior doesn't deserve rewards. How difficult is this?

Also, we should remember what Muraki does to people: he uses them up and throws them away. Muraki would not be able give Tsuzki anything. Eventually he would break Tsuzuki, and then what would he do? Keep the shell around? He's more likely to toss out the broken doll.

Let's try another idea on for size. Say that Muraki realizes that Tsuzuki will break eventually, and figured that the best course is to change him so that the relationship can, um, work. (There has to be a better word than "work." Maybe "be utterly fucked up.") For the sake of argument, let's say it works. What's the problem? A Tsuzuki who would be comfortable (or at least able to tolerate) what Muraki's doing would be a Tsuzuki completely berift of all the complexities and contradictions that drew Muraki to him in the first place. That's hardly what I'd call a satisfactory ending.

Now we get to slightly more controversial reasons. You know how crazed fans will screech "This character gets in the way of my favorite pairing!"? (Is my grammar off there?) Well, in the case of Muraki, Tsuzuki, and Hisoka, frankly, that's true.

First, there's the fact that Hisoka keeps Tsuzuki from slipping into utter self-loathing, and keeps him strong enough resist the temptations that Muraki sets in front of him--mainly the temptation to fall into complete despair. Looking at it this way, it's really reasonable that some Muraki/Tsuzuki fans hate Hisoka. Can you believe that the brat has the gall to make Tsuzuki happy and stable? What a rotten character.

Then there's the fact (and this is probably the biggest issue for me), that, you know what? Muraki raped, tortured, and murdered Hisoka. Can you imagine willingly dating the person who raped and tortured your best friend? That is a really serious betrayal. You would have to be a very, very callous asshole. Tsuzuki is not a callous asshole. He has compassion and integrity shooting out his ears. I cannot see him disregarding Hisoka like that. I just can't.

I have seen some very odd Muraki defense. I mean odd in the "whatever you're on has got to be illegal" sort of way. I remembered a real, uh, gem, so I went to search for it. It was worse than I remembered.

>>Just the fact that he raped Uke-chan (as I call Hisoka) doesn't instantly make him disgusting.

Ok, first of all: HISOKA TOPS YOU AND YOUR MURAKI LOVING ASS. So lay off the dumbass insults.

Second of all, you know what? RAPE MAKES YOU A DISGUSTING PERSON. RAPISTS ARE VILE AND HORRID. EVEN IF THEY'RE HOT.

I don't hate Muraki. I usually find him fascinating, with an occasional touch of "Oh, you magnificent bastard," however, my liking him doesn't change the fact that he's a horrible person.

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