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Jessie_luvs_Muraki
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Come and welcome me!Hmm, I think my topic line was a bit demanding. Meh, it's ok, I've made myself at home already. So start fearing, Muraki-haters! *cackles evilly*
This isn't technically my first post but it IS the first one where I properly introduced myself instead of butting in on threads.
So hi, my name's Jessie and even though Muraki is evil most, ALL, of the time I still like him, even when NOT in AU fics. There's an alluring quality to him, that and he looks damn good in a trenchcoat  XDDDD.
All jokings aside, ppl usually see him as a villan and yes, while he is NOT to be pitied he shouldn't be trashed so harshly, either. You have to find a balance and think of his past and the REASONS for his actions, no matter how twisted they were!
[End Rant]
*Braces self*
Don't hurt me....
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Rhea-sama
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WELCOME :DDDDDDD *bonecrunching glomp* x333
Ha. I was first x3 I'm winning :DDDDD
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Jessie_luvs_Muraki
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I'm prolly not gonna get many warm welcomes b/c of my lil liking for Mur/Tsu or just Muraki in general but it's OK! I know that many ppl dislike/hate Muraki and it's fine if you don't! I mean, I don't hate Hisoka just because I like Muraki.
I get the feeling this is a more Hisoka forum and I guess just sticks to the lighter side of YnM? Maybe I'm getting the wrong vibe, or maybe I've just been in the deep, dark, murky, depths of the fanfiction.net forums for too long. XDDD
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Rhea-sama
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Um it might be more of a "Watari" forum.. due to my.. prolific writing and.. rabbid fangirlness on the subject XDDD
Hisoka used to be my fave though.. then Watari all of a sudden took over. XD No idea what that's about.
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willag
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I hold no grudges against you. Actually, I'm hoping you could help me with a problem I have.
Y'see, I just can't see or imagine how anyone could actually... like Muraki. It confuses me. And maybe if I get some more viewpoints I could possibly, y'know, not hate him as much.
Actually, my own hatred for Muraki kinda worries me at times. I feel almost bad for so willingly dislike a character... it makes me as sadistic as him, and I don't like that.
I feel sorry for the guy, after reading the manga and about his past. It's not like he was born evil. It's just... his fall into insanity is not his fault, but the choices he made along the way are, and I just can't respect or like him for that at all. I can't respect murderers, and I dislike rapists even more. Especially rapists who torture children... it's sick, disgusting, and degrading.
And yet, even while I say this, I'd like to be able to forgive the guy, and sometimes I can... depending upon the fanfic I read or moment in the manga I look over, but then it all comes back, and it's like the whole problem Hisoka had with Tsubaki... he just was too scared to face the man that she saw... except, in this case, I'm too scared to see the man other people are fascinated with.
The dislike usually returns again when I read about people liking him for his sadistic personality, or that they like dark, angsty MuTsu stories. I've read them once or twice before, and yeah they're... intiguing I guess the word is? Y'know, where you feel like you should turn away but you just can't? But they're also highly sickening and gross and painful... b/c they could quite possibly happen. And then I wonder again, why would anyone want that to happen?
Maybe that's just a person's natural fascination for dark things. I seem to have moments like that as well. Maybe that's the first step of understanding these differing viewpoints.
Still, I always want to ask people, how would you feel if you were raped or tortured or your best friend was or your parents or your siblings?
Meh, it's like I'm trying to work myself up. And I shouldn't. I'm trying to understand the people that like him, not work myself up against them.
Perhaps if we can reach some sort of agreement with the Muraki in each other, things could work out better.
(*SNORT* Though this totally grosses me out, I'm looking back on that last sentence and realizing all of the sexual innuendoes that come with it. See, it never fails, my horny mind is always active, even if it ends up digging me into my grave).
And I think I completely ruined the whole serious mood I was going for there with that one sentence and observation.
Anywho, welcome to the forum.
(And sorry if my harsh words against him in other posts hurt you. It was never meant to be a personal attack... just a venting against the bastard... oops, did it again. I shall shut up now).
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suzoka
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ahh welcome to the forum Jessie,
to be frank I hate Muraki only because of what he did to Hisoka. that's about it. I'm a Hisoka fan! all the way! I don't really mind his twisted way of thinking it makes Yami no Matsuie interesting. ^__^
and to think I actually like a Muraki and Hisoka pair (twisted nee? ^_^). but my favorite pair will always be Tsuzuki and Hisoka! 
glad to see your comfortable here. ^____^
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Jani_chan
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Hello, Murakilover-san,
Or would Jessie suffice? Oh well. I don't totally dislike Muraki. In fact, I'm told that I do quite the job of portraying him in RPs^^ I hafta get ready for work, so this is depressingly short, but welcome, dear^^
enjoy your stay, kk?^^ We're all nice people
BTW, my normal RP character is Hijiri, so if you happen to wander into the chatroom during an RP and you see Hijiri there, it's a 99.999999% chance it's me^^
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pyro_o
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AW, DAMN. I'M LATE AGAIN. *pokes comatose!coco* I'm fastar than you. But RHEA STOP HAUNTING THE FORUMS. XDDDDDDDDD
my chatroom name is Ayumu Kasuga, same as my dead ff.net account. and I'm your resident hyperactive nothing-er here.
Muraki is a very,, very,, un-nice guy. and yes, he looks DAMN good in a trenchcoat. What I wouldn't give to see the man wear something that isn't white. XDDD
welcome to the forums.
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Yami no Kaze
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i'm not sure anyone on this forum hates muraki. i like to use him as a good plot devise to turture tsuzuki. and i have two mur/tsu fics in the fanfics section here.
i'm more of a tsuzuki fan myself, however my character on the chat rooms is usually hisoka. where ever hijiri is, hisoka is likely to also be.
^^ welcome.
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Yami no Kaze
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| willag wrote: | I hold no grudges against you. Actually, I'm hoping you could help me with a problem I have.
Y'see, I just can't see or imagine how anyone could actually... like Muraki. It confuses me. And maybe if I get some more viewpoints I could possibly, y'know, not hate him as much.
Actually, my own hatred for Muraki kinda worries me at times. I feel almost bad for so willingly dislike a character... it makes me as sadistic as him, and I don't like that.
I feel sorry for the guy, after reading the manga and about his past. It's not like he was born evil. It's just... his fall into insanity is not his fault, but the choices he made along the way are, and I just can't respect or like him for that at all. I can't respect murderers, and I dislike rapists even more. Especially rapists who torture children... it's sick, disgusting, and degrading.
And yet, even while I say this, I'd like to be able to forgive the guy, and sometimes I can... depending upon the fanfic I read or moment in the manga I look over, but then it all comes back, and it's like the whole problem Hisoka had with Tsubaki... he just was too scared to face the man that she saw... except, in this case, I'm too scared to see the man other people are fascinated with.
The dislike usually returns again when I read about people liking him for his sadistic personality, or that they like dark, angsty MuTsu stories. I've read them once or twice before, and yeah they're... intiguing I guess the word is? Y'know, where you feel like you should turn away but you just can't? But they're also highly sickening and gross and painful... b/c they could quite possibly happen. And then I wonder again, why would anyone want that to happen?
Maybe that's just a person's natural fascination for dark things. I seem to have moments like that as well. Maybe that's the first step of understanding these differing viewpoints.
Still, I always want to ask people, how would you feel if you were raped or tortured or your best friend was or your parents or your siblings?
Meh, it's like I'm trying to work myself up. And I shouldn't. I'm trying to understand the people that like him, not work myself up against them.
Perhaps if we can reach some sort of agreement with the Muraki in each other, things could work out better.
(*SNORT* Though this totally grosses me out, I'm looking back on that last sentence and realizing all of the sexual innuendoes that come with it. See, it never fails, my horny mind is always active, even if it ends up digging me into my grave).
And I think I completely ruined the whole serious mood I was going for there with that one sentence and observation.
Anywho, welcome to the forum.
(And sorry if my harsh words against him in other posts hurt you. It was never meant to be a personal attack... just a venting against the bastard... oops, did it again. I shall shut up now). |
^^;; i know you asked her, but i'd like to give my input if you don't mind. I don't like anime muraki. he's calulating, he knows exactly what he's doing and oft times he has more than one reason for doing it. he's far too pale imo and just...creepy. pedophile like creepy.
but manga muraki isn't quite so sane. he has some idea of what he's doing, but he's insane enough that he's quite forgivable. he's dangerous, and sexy, and beautiful. not quite so cold and not quite so creepy. it took me a rather long time to like him actually. it was very hard to get over what he did to hisoka, as the paralels there are a bit scary with my own life, but once i started reading the manga, things made more sense. in places *especially the direct japanese* you can tell he's insane. completely doesn't have a string left to hold on to crazy. and that's what makes his actions forgivable. you really can't hold someones actions against them when they can't fully grasp the concequences.
^^;; anyway, that's just me. *ducks* no one kill me please!!!!!
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Paurie
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Welcome!!! =D The person who got me into YnM liked Muraki. X3
Um, don't be scared? If someone is an ass to you because of your favorite character, I suggest that person get out more. XD Cause... "Whoa, calm down... It's fiction, kay?" (Hah, as if I wouldn't fight to defend my fav. character... X333 Who is TATSUMI by the way.)
I used to like Tsuzuki... but something happened(Rhea) and now I like Tatsumi(because of Rhea). X3 <3<3<3<3 I also like to RP as him. :\
Anyway, hope you like it here. :333 Stick around. =D
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admin
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JiHye don't poke me.
Urgh! I'm not just late, I'm practically lagging.
Welcome to our humble forums. First off, you have NO reason to feel defensive about like a character, if you like Muraki fair dues to you.
I was intrigued by Muraki and it was HE that attracted me to Yami no Matsuei. Muraki makes YnM what it is, he contributes to the characters suffering and the problems they have to overcome because they have to bond closer with each other in order to overcome them. At the same time he's fascinating and complex, sensual, beautiful and insane. He's sadistic, dark and offers an interesting slant to the phrase, judging a book by it's cover, especially with that whole profession versus hobby thing. (Saves lives for work, destroys them for fun)
The more complex the character the more complex my feelings for them. To me, it all boils down to one thing, and this is how I cope with characters like this so I can evaluate them safely and neutrually in my own mind.
Character and Person, are different.
As a character Muraki is amazing, Yoko has created a brilliant antagonist, displaying him as both a victum of circumstance, and a maker of victums of circumstance, which is uncomfortable to watch and read, having to share sympathy for the innocents of a cruel man whilst giving him sympathy for having cruelty done on to him at the same time. As I stated earlier he's intelligent and beautiful and has amazing screen presence through sublties like body language and other characters reactions to him. So as a story makers character. Yoko did an amazing job, Muraki is very real and very intriguing, he makes you want to read the manga more and watch the anime more to find out what he's going to do to these next-whether in anticipation, or in dread.
As a person Muraki is cruel and unjustifiable, why should all these people suffer through no fault of their own, guaranteed if a guy like Muraki was on the news fans of the character wouldn't go, awww that poor person who had trouble with he's brother as a kid, it's fine for him to rape and murder those people-oh my he's so attractive. To me there is only forgiveness in he's destruction, because why should I forgive the actions of someone who isn't sorry, if Muraki got he's karma and was finally destroied, there would be forgiveness in letting go in order to move on and put the past to rest. That is all. I feel sorry for Muraki the child, but Muraki the adult who's path diverted away from where Muraki the child probably first wanted to go, I feel no sympathy for him.
Overall its about balance as someone earlier said. For me it's easier to split more ethically questionable characters like Muraki into two groups, Character (objective) and Person (subjective). Or else I get baffled @__@.
See, a new member and we're already having serious conversation all thanks to Jessie_luvs_Muraki lol.
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pyro_o
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*pokes Coco and runs away*
8DDDDDDD
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Hyperaesthesia
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| admin wrote: | | Character and Person, are different. |
YES.
Some of my favourite characters are the most obnoxious or downright evil people ever. When I list their negative traits, I'm not bashing them. It's because of those reasons that I DO like them. I don't want to excuse their issues or pretend they don't exist, because I find perfect characters to be quite bland. In fact, most of my favourite characters in YnM aren't the nicest. Tatsumi can be cold and sometimes hurts the people he cares about. Touda openly admits he's a bit of a tosser, and walks away when Hisoka was in danger. It could be argued that Tsubaki 'used' Hisoka when she was in love with someone else. Whether one of my favourite characters isn't very nice because of personal issues or just because they're unapologetically evil, I still love them for it 
And back on the original topic, hello
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pyro_o
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beautiful response lar.
hello lar, to you who has been hiding.
Touda = <3
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Jani_chan
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Muraki Muraki Muraki
I like him... kinda... untill I become my Hijiri-ish self and realize Hijiri looks exactily like Hisoka and were it Hijiri in Hisoka's place, Muraki would have raped him or something or maybe he'd keep Hijiri as his doll too to have a "matching set" as it was put to me by either Rhea-sama or Yami no Kaze at some point.
I don't really have much of an oppinion and am extremely conformist no matter how hard I try so if you give me a good enough arguement, I'll fall for Muraki just like I have for Watari, Tatsumi, Hisoka (no arguement there), and Hijiri (no arguement there either). ^^ peace!
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admin
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| Jani_chan wrote: |
I don't really have much of an oppinion and am extremely conformist no matter how hard I try so if you give me a good enough arguement, I'll fall for Muraki just like I have for Watari, Tatsumi, Hisoka (no arguement there), and Hijiri (no arguement there either). ^^ peace! |
omg thats so Libra. I'm the sameway most of the time. Everyone should be pretty much certain how "it's all good" I am when it comes to characters and pairings. Sell it to me and I'll buy ^__~
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pyro_o
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sh, with your happy astrological thing. XD
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admin
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| pyro_o wrote: | | sh, with your happy astrological thing. XD |
*pokes* thats such a Leo thing to say.
I wonder if the forum will get anymore Muraki fans, we seem to be getting a bit more lately.
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pyro_o
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AGAIN. XP
hush, you. astrological fanatic. XD
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Chazmy
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Have no fear A hard core Muraki fan is here!!^_^
I am deafly a heavy Muraki fan and i have went my up's and down's like you on finding others like me.
I am fairly new here and have also looked for other Muraki fan's. { The people here are wonderful and very frinedly, well except maybe one or two Die Muraki Die fans but other then that everyone is great and understanding }
I just go with the flow and state my opinion the best I can. The way Muraki is to me.
hang in there, We'll get through it.
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