Favorite couple

laustic · Favorite couple

I think its pretty important for us to establish favorite pairings so I'll go first.

Without a doubt its Tsuzuki and Hisoka. To put it simply these two were born for one another. They may close themselves off from the others but its clear that they can't do that to each other. They know each other too well for that. Their relationship can be dark and intense but at the same time it can be the sweet and sincere.

Rina

yes, indeed! and as odd as it may sound, its a good thing they went through everything in their life that they did, or they may not have met. i can actually find it in my heart to thank muraki, as he essentially brought hisoka to tsuzuki. but yeah, they totally belong together FOREVER!!! ^_^
~Rina Very Happy

laustic

I agree with that. I don't think Hisoka and Tsuzuki would be as close as they are if they haven't been through the experiences they had to endure.

admin

It's still a bit sad though to have to go through such excruciating suffering, but Tsuzuki and Hisoka is my favourite pairing too. Very Happy

Rina

it IS sad that they had to go thru all that stuff... but then again, good things come to those who wait! im sure theyre VERY happy their wating time is over and they now have each other *nods wisely*
~Rina

measuring time

As all my acquaintances/friends have come to find out, I am quite indeed a fan of Tsuzuki and Hisoka. Though I do like other particular pairings within the series, I find this one to be my favorite. I enjoy their dynamic, their interactions, and the general manner in which they just seem to work

Naturally, I agree with the statement that their own individual suffering allowed them to relate to each other and ultimately grow closer. Despite the past experiences that set them off on odds upon the first meeting, they were really made to work around the negatives in the face of their dilemmas. They have a profound sort of understanding for one another, even though Tsuzuki has not revealed all and even though Hisoka proceeds to put up a front in order to shoo him away. (Which, in all honesty, never worked.) They both, really, are drawn together by their mutual experiences of loneliness, shunning, and rejection (either by society or family or both).

It seems like they have built a very delicate stability from each other. Hisoka’s reaction in the Kyoto Arc have shown this. Tsuzuki’s reactions in the late Gensoukai Arc have also displayed this (though, that may be vaguely questionable. I think, however, it is a good example). Even the small bits and pieces of their everyday “lives” have really indicated this. Tsuzuki’s worrying and care, Hisoka’s very awkward attempts at comforting in the beginning (in reference to the Devil’s Trill segment) being prime examples.

Not to mention, the quite apparent and shared goal of ridding the world of Muraki is a key factor in this particular relationship. They have quite a bit of relativity built upon this. This shared motivation is a binding element.

However, this is all left up to opinion. This just mine.

I also have a rather developed liking for Tatsumi and Watari, but instead of rambling on for eternity in one post, I shall later revisit this.

(In essence, I must have half-summarized all that was really known to begin with. Hahaa.)

admin

That's alright, I've posted so much on Tsuzuki and Hisoka over the net especailly in the forums on fanfiction.net, my brain buzzes everytime I think about them now. But more in a happy heady drugged way. The natural dynmic of their relationship is wonderful, Measuringtime has put together a good construct about the appeal of Tsuzuki and Hisoka. Its not just an opposites meet thing they both truly grow together and it's amazing how the compassion between the two is given freely without the information that other people have to know before they can understand someone enough to give them sympathy and comfort. So theres the understanding that they know eachother on a deeper level.

~Coco

pyro_o

ff.net has a good Tsusoka thread.

Coco-chan should know~

And so should I- I've been spamming in it since FOREVER. XD

But yeah- my favorite couple, is also, Tsusoka. Look up my post on ff.net..

or I can just copy and paste. dang.

--COPY AND PASTED--

Tsusoka- my favorite pairing in Yami no Matsuei. I've always had a
thing for equality, and that's exactly what this getup is.. Balance.

Tsuzuki makes Hisoka feel needed in such a powerful way- he makes him
feel far more useful than he'd ever been in his 'past life'. So his
empathy, his personality.. everything that he has that MAKES him Hisoka,
Tsuzuki accepts; therefore making him feel 'loved'. And as the saying
goes, Hisoka's bark is far worse than his bite.

Hisoka is Tsuzuki's 'outlet'- his empathy can provide a way for his
suppressed emotions to flow forth again. Even through all his false smiles
and cheerful front, Hisoka's ability makes his feelings come clean. =D

admin

As I said in the FF.net forums that was a wonderful sum up clear and precise about what exactly is attractive about the Tsusoka pairing.

This is an essay of mine from the ff.net forum, I've mixed and matched a bit because I have quite a few ramblings there,

Tsuzuki and Hisoka are the pairing that a lot of people are simply just jealous of. Tsuzuki and Hisoka are the most strongest shounen-nai overtoned couple in the book and series, and they have the strongest bond.

Because some fans like other characters better, they'll twist things in their head so they can warp the story into something it has no basis in. I like crack pairings, and don't mind seeing Hisoka or Tsuzuki with other people but it has to be done right. Fluff with our favourite duo and Muraki??-I think not, not unless you are a master writter and are able to write something unfathomble whilst SOMEHOW making it believable at the same time. Hah good luck though!

I agree, Tsuzuki hides his pain and I think the others do kind of encourage it by coodling Tsuzuki a little too much, or by just going along with those masks he continues to wear, where as Hisoka is more direct, he refuses to be pushed away, and just says it how things need to be said, there's no mind games or tiptoeing, and those Tsu crocidile tears that seem to get even the wall strong Tatsumi have basically no effect on Hisoka. Plus Hisoka's empathy makes it more difficult for Tsuzuki to hide, so theres that chance that he'll, in the end, have to confront his problems, no breaking down, stiffening, crying, running away, self harm or suicide attempts, because he'll have a reliable aid of mental strength by his side that won't let him and a reason to live and fight for.

The fact that Tsuzuki has that sympathy means that Hisoka may eventually face the problems he has as well (which are many), especially that bizzare obsession with power!-gaud!!, and that disturbing anger and (though understandable), really unhealthy desire for revenge, one almost as bad as Muraki's, (*note* that Muraki was upset Saki died because HE wanted to kill Saki, and that Hisoka was upset in Vol 3 that Muraki died because HE wanted to kill Muraki himself), Hisoka has some dark tendices that need attending to, and to stop repressing his problems and focusing them on revenge and power, because such things will not clear his pain. Tsuzuki's attitude of sympathy and kindness and compassion stand as an example and can teach Hisoka who has only known cruelty in his life how to simulate such things, how to focus energies on more positive and cheerful things, and most importantly Tsuzuki's excessive sympathy will coax Hisoka out of his shell without the fear that he'll be defeanseless with it gone, because Hisoka won't be, he'll have a loving family in one partner who can wrap him in the kinds of emotions his been starved of i childhood.

Hey even in the programme the Chief and the Count are discussing how they deliberately paired those two up!! Because they kinda knew what would happen and the maturity between the two that would take place.

Balances?

Hisoka: Emapthy Tsuzuki: Sympathy
Hisoka: Mental Strength Tsuzuki: Physical strength
Hisoka: Adult attitude but teenager Tsuzuki: Childlike attitude but elderly wisdom
Hisoka: Unwanted Tsuzuki: Needy

~Coco

pyro_o

Oh. Wow.

Jeez coco-chan. And you tell ME I can speech stuff.. DAAANG~~

But still- an EXCELLENT way of putting my favorite pairing- I couldn't have done any better. XP

But I agree with our moddie right there.. every single point.

And besides- it helps to understand what the character has gone through.. But I don't mean getting your sister killed, or getting abused in a basement for sixteen years.

What I mean is simply to keep what their past experiences were in your mind when you read/write about them.. and the pairing REALLY then comes to life. =D

Veleda

Like so many people, Hisoka/Tsuzuki is my favorite pairing. I love the way they complement each other, I love their unspoken understanding. I love the way Hisoka gives Tsuzuki antacids in the second manga volume. It's not a big moment, it goes unremarked. That's what makes it so special to me. Hisoka cares, and it's the little things that show that. I love the fact that Tsuzuki can immediately tell that Hisoka isn't feeling well in the sixth volume. It's not visible to anybody else, but Tsuzuki knows. I love that their relationship isn't perfect, that sometimes they hurt each other, because that makes the fact that they stay together all the more meaningful.

It always confuses me when people write off Hisoka/Tsuzuki as just a fluff pairing. These are two incredibly damaged, hurting people. They're very, very different from one another. Usually that means that they complement each other, but sometimes it means that they hurt each other unintentionally. Tsuzuki's pain has been building up for one hundred years, and Hisoka has no experience with comforting someone. When he doesn't know how to help, he lashes out, and while Tsuzuki can usually take that in stride, sometimes people want comfort.

They have so many issues, and, for me, that's what makes their relationship so powerful.

Whispers of a Ghost

Tsuzuki/Hisoka of any form is my OTPOA--My one tue pairing of all. Never have I thought that two characters should be together so much before. I think they were the intended pairing from the beginning, actually, and it's my personal opinion that Yoko brought Tatsumi in because she was bored with them, but that's a whole 'nother rant. Razz

Honestly, they're pretty much canon. I mean, just the end of voulme three. That's all I say. And Kyoto. Volume three and Kyoto.

I concur with pretty much everything said here.

One thing I hate, however, is when people seem to fit Tsuzuki into the typical strong seme roll and Hisoka into the typical weepy uke role. Honestly, they could be both. The beauty of their relationship is that once they get up to the point where they both trust each other, the need for assigned roles in the relationship is useless, since they'd be on such a level with each other.

I also hate the instant amazingly gratifying sex the two have in fanfiction, and then the amazing sex lives they have. Honestly, I don't see Tsuzuki and Hisoka very interested in sex, espeically Hisoka. When they get up to that point, I don't think it's instantly going to be good sex. Hisoka probably won't enjoy the physical sensations much at all and his empathy would be absolutely overloaded, and Tsuzuki would probably be so worried about Hisoka that he'd not find much enjoyment at all. It would take a couple of tries for them to get it right to the point where they can enjoy it, but I don't think it will be raging, constant, every night sex as soon as they get used to it. I'm spouting off personal opinions here, but I think that with Hisoka's empathy and Tsuzuki's dire need to be love, just simple gestures like kissing and hugging would mean so much more. Also, just the fact that they'd eventually get up to physical intimacy would say a lot about how much Hisoka loves and trusts Tsuzuki then.

Yeah, once again, personal opinion, love Tsusoka or Hizuki, true love, gettin' off the soapbox now.

pyro_o

Yes- you guys all have such strong feelings about this!! It makes JiHye all fuzzy inside. =D

Yeah- volume 7 cinched things for me in the Tsusoka shipping.. And I pretty much cried through volume 8. ^^"

Tsusoka. Wow.

Anyone support MurakixOriya or something?

Veleda

Muraki/Oriya is one the two (Muraki/Ukyou is the other) Muraki pairings that doesn't make me grimace and say "That's just not healthy." I mean, Muraki/Oriya isn't healthy either, but it seems that both characters are comfortable with the unhealthiness. Plus, in my more cynical and nasty moments, I figure that they deserve each other.

pyro_o

*giggle* I'll edit this when I'm coherent enough....

Whispers of a Ghost

Yeah, I agree with you on Muraki/Oriya, yet I just can't see that man with ANYBODY but his fiancee. And I may be speaking to nothing, here, but does anyone wish that we'd see some fanfiction exploring the Muraki/Ukyou relationship, here?

pyro_o

*giggles*

there are quite a few mentions of Ukyo when you look. =D

especially on ff.net... hm. I do remember this one story I'm alerted to- hahhh.. I forgot the name. shoot. ^^' but it stars Ukyo-san quite a bit in it..

there's also that EXCELLENT oneshot series.. Bon and Bon! ____Day. The White Day one had a story with Ukyo in it as a supporting character.

written by my good friend, ChrisRedfield_26, it's a cute read. =D

laustic

*waves* Hey Whispers of a Ghost! I love your fanfiction, you have alot of talent. Anyway you brought up an interesting point about Tsuzuki being the typical seme and Hisoka being a weepy uke. While I think Hisoka is incurable uke I'm not too fond of him being weepy either. I just don't buy it. What actually grates on my nerves (and I hope I don't offend anyone here) is the weepy uke Tsuzuki. I noticed that some people think just because Tsuzuki whines and cries alot that automatically makes him the uke. Come on, Tsuzuki is the most powerfull shinigami in the department and on top of that he has 12 powerful shiki. No weakling could have accompished that. I just don't buy Tsuzuki being submissive to anyone which is why I have such a problem with the Muraki/Tsuzuki relationship. While Hisoka is stronger than he gives himself credit for, he will never match the strength Tsuzuki has. He even admits this to himself in either volume 10 or 11. I don't see Tsuzuki being an overpowering seme to Hisoka, although it is hot to read. I do see Tsuzuki being on top but I firmly believe that Hisoka and Tsuzuki would be equal in their sex life.

I actually like the idea of Tsuzuki and Hisoka having a passionate sex life (although Whispers of a Ghost, I do see and agree with your view). I like the idea that Hisoka moving beyond the rape and take back what he deserves: having an intimate relationship with the person he loves. While sex isn't and shouldn't be what makes or breaks a relationship, it is an important part and I can seriously see it having a major role in the His/Tsu relationship.

Sorry for the long ramble!

Veleda

Buahaha! I disagree with everyone! *has a hearty laugh at zirself*

Anyway, my main problems starts with the very concept of seme and uke (I first typed that "seme on uke." Heh, Freudian slip). Not only does it suggest automatic character traits, in confines the characters in narro roles. Who says they can't switch?

Despite that, I do believe that in the Hisoka/Tsuzuki relationship there would be someone who usually took the top position, and that is Hisoka all the way.

Hisoka's goal in life is to have control. He pushes himself harder and harder to make it clear that he won't submit to anyone. His whole life, he's been at the mercy of other people, and now he longs to prove that he and he alone is in charge of his life. He would naturally gravitate toward a sexual position that gave him that control. Plus, there's the likely aversion he would feel to being on his back and/or being penetrated. It would probably feel considerably safer for him to take a position that he has no negative experience with.

Now, look at Tsuzuki. What is Tsuzuki? He is confident in his magical and physical strength. He doesn't feel like he has anything to prove in the same way Hisoka does. Tsuzuki is also a giver. He loves to make people happy. Tsuzuki likely would a lot of fufillment in pleasing his partner. If Hisoka wanted to top, I can't see Tsuzuki having any objections.

Two more things to consider, is that magical and physical strength doesn't necessarily have anything to do with dominance, and also that bottoming, or even being submissive in bed does not make a person weak. I don't think of myself as a weak person simply because of where I prefer to be in sex, and my going to the gym and bulking up wouldn't change anything about my tastes. (Ok, that was probably way more than any of you wanted to know, but I was trying to give examples.)

There's also the fact that, while Tsuzuki is definitely a protector, he often gravitates toward submissive roles, though not necessarily sexual ones. Tatsumi takes the parental role, while Tsuzuki plays the child; Hisoka scolds, Tsuzuki apologizes (either that or gives puppy dog eyes); and the stronger Muraki comes on, the more Tsuzuki retreats. He's not a weak character, but he has behavior patterns he tends to fall back on. Hisoka, on the other hand, can evern make Terazuma toe the line, and I wouldn't say that Terazuma is particularly meek.

In conclusion, I want crack fic in which Hisoka is a super-seme who keeps all of his many uke in line.

pyro_o

Veleda-san is right- Hisoka does always seem to be the uke in fics.

But on the 'special cases' when he isn't, why do we think 'switch roles'? I mean- I know if you didn't write, it you'd probably have thought it at least once, or else you are the most broad-minded person on earth~

Hisoka being seme has a certain appeal and fullfillment to the role- it makes him seem like he's in control for once in his life- it goes by his pace, his actions, and by his words. Tsuzuki being uke *whoa* means that he's being loved for once. Ya know?

Or maybe not.. O.o

laustic

Actually, the reason why I always liked the idea of Hisoka being the uke is because he's so obsessed about power and being in control that its unhealthy. Letting himself being in a position like that may show him that its not always bad not being in control.

Whispers of a Ghost

Laustic: Hey, I know what you wrote! Razz

Thanks for the compliments!

Actually, I do think that Tsuzuki and Hisoka can have a healthy sex life, but they'd have to overcome a LOT of personal shit first on both sides. I do think that it can be gratifying, I just can't see them doin' the nasty every night. I once read a fanfiction where every single day, Tsuzuki and Hisoka had sex. Whatever happened to lovers just being content sleeping next to each other, and not just sleeping WITH each other?

But I agree, sex would be an important part of their relationship, actually I think it would be more important than in other relationships with 'normal' people, you know.

Anyways, I agree with both Laustic and Veleda, but you have to realize, Tsuzuki and Hisoka both have times where they are dominant and submissive.

For example, Tsuzuki would probably be content being on the bottom given his general personality, his need for love, his fear of hurting Hisoka or bringing back bad memeories, and the fact that it would be making Hisoka happy. However, I think Tsuzuki definetely has his more aggressive moments. Whenever he's angry or someone he loves is threatened, his submissive turns to brutal dominance. Plus, he also has the slightest hint of a darker personality. While I do think he would be content on the bottom, I think he'd also be content being on top at times. Like, say after an adrenaline rush, caffine rush, or anger rush.

Hisoka probably would be happy being on top most of the time, given his need for dominance and control and power, and his aversion and issues with being on the bottom. However, I also agree partially with Laustic. Letting him be on the bottom may show Hisoka that he doesn't always have to be on the offensive or in control of everything. Plus, who said you couldn't be in control and on the bottom as well? Wink

Also, here's an interesting thought: Hisoka had such a horrible time being forced to submit to his rapist, I think that maybe Hisoka might subconsciously like having someone he can trust and love unconditionally top him, so Hisoka could finally feel comfortable submitting and not violated and hurt. While it may take a long time for Hisoka to feel secure enough to bottom in bed, Hisoka might actually feel like he can beat Muraki when he can submit himself to Tsuzuki without fear.

What I'm trying to say here, in a way, is that Hisoka might actually find some POWER in submitting to Tsuzuki and enjoying himself, since, in a way, he's showing Muraki that he can overcome the hurdles of what he did to him and, esentially, surpass Muraki himself.

admin

If I were to say a short piece.

With Tsuzuki and Hisoka and sex I always imagined that Hisoka's character would be in full swing of trying to be dominant and seme-ish, as despite being forced into ukism by circumstances out of his control his natural personality defines him as a seme.
The problem would be I think that in the process he'd probably become vulnerable and not know what to do or how to act, then there's all the emotions and confusion and issues, @_@ and in the end he'd have to rely on Tsuzuki which illiterates laustic's point, he'd have to learn to stop being power hungry, and stop attempting to control and prove independence and maturity, he'd have to learn to trust and lean on someone else without feelings of immaturity, low self-worth and dependence, and I think Tsuzuki could teach him that.

Afterwards depending on any given situation Tsuzuki and Hisoka could easily switch between seme and uke, as we've seen Tsuzuki flow right into serious get control of situation mode at the drop of a hat, and we all know Hisoka's fiesty. We all know Tsuzuki can be angsty and weepy, a giver (as Veleda puts it) and in need of reassurance, and Hisoka is still young in comparison to Tsuzuki and we all know he NEEDS comfort to relax, be loved and just let be.

Another thing as well is, I think people can act differently in bed, someone who is usually quiet may find themselves talking a lot, and someone who is usually dominant might want to give up that aspect of themselves and be submissive during sex. So Tsuzuki and Hisoka and sex??-well who knows, could be anything. *shrug*

This is something that can go anywhere but I'll just throw it here, I can see characters doing many different contradictory actions, in one fic I read Hisoka was (don't know how else to put it) coming on to Tsuzuki and initating the relationship, in another fic it was Tsuzuki, yet I found both fic's believable because the actions were backed up by suffiecent motivations and were presented very well. There isn't just one road to any given circumstance. I may be a law abiding citizen but I might steal if given a reason to.

Anyway back to sex, I love whispers of a ghosts idea about Hisoka feeling power being bottoming Tsuzuki as a way of overcoming Muraki, I have actually read a similar idea in a Tsusoka fanfic that done that well actually so it's quite cool you wrote that.

Which JUST NOW made me think of something I read on Katcom about the fact there is power in being submissive, it was really interesting.

Anyway what do I know about sex *rolls eyes*

~Coco

kis4me

pervy_princess84 · OH NOESSS!!

I feel so alone! I can't seem to find fans of MurakixTsuzuki or TatsumixTsuzuki pairings here at all!!! Crying or Very sad

As much as I love to be different from everyone else, I don't like to be the ONLY one! *runs aways crying like Tsu-chan*

admin

Awww.

This is the shipping section pervy princess, by all means post a topic about a pairing you like if it's not already up.

pyro_o

ohh.. yah. 8D

the Tsusoka one is MADE.. and it's.. yeah. XD;

but Ican'tbelieveImissedsomuchomfgIhavetogobackandreadandI'lledit. Mad

*runs awaaaay*

Chazmy

Ok a little brave here sense most are a Hisoka / Tsuzuki fav.

but mine is Muraki/ Tsuzuki. { am I the only one!}

Editor

Chazmy

I so love that song, by Enigma. That fits really good with Muraki and Tsuzuki.

Editor

I downloaded it a few years ago and my interest had been quirked, I tortured several friends who all proclaimed awww tragically at how vulnerable and defenselss Tsuzuki looks throughtout this video. I mean, the poor guy even shakes at one point. (I have one friend who is scared of Muraki and I used to constantly torture her pretending to be the doctor-ahhhhh good times--before and just when I saw the anime by the way--I read the books much later) and Muraki is certainly dangerous and holding the upperhand throughout this video.

Chazmy

Do you still have it?

Editor

Chazmy

YES!!! XD

Editor

Its on a disc so I'm currently searching it out. Sorry about that.

So, no other favourite pairings?

Chazmy

It's ok no big rush Very Happy

As far as other fav pairings. I do have a few, but they're not as powerful as Muraki & Tsuzuki are.

Oriya & Watari

Muraki & Oriya

Muraki & Tatsumi

Favorite couple

OH NOESSS!!