laustic
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HisokaHisoka, I have to say, is my all time favorite character. He's such a fascinating character that drew me in the first moment I saw him pointing a gun at Tsuzuki. He can be such a brat one moment, but then in the next, he would the most caring person in the world. Hisoka really is a bundle of contridications. I remember the first time I saw the scenes where Gushoshin told Tsuzuki how Hisoka's parents locked him up and Hisoka confessing he had empathy just tore at my heart. It's really strange how I felt so connected to this character.
Hisoka's tempestuous, but he can be rather reserved as well. He cares but I think that sometimes he's too embarrassed to say so. He's stronger than he gives himself credit for. With all the problems he's faced I'm surpised that he hasn't had a mental breakdown. But, Hisoka does have to face the fact that in order to get close to people he has to let people in. He's started to do it, but I think he has a long way to go. I don't think Hisoka has ever attempted to come to terms with being raped like he has with being murdered. Granted, he wants revenge, but we still see him talking about it and even confessed this to Tsubaki. I think the rape is the biggest obstacle that prevents him from truly getting close to people. He is becoming closer to Tsuzuki, but I think the rape will help maintain some sort of barrier until he can get past it.
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Jani_chan
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Re: Hisoka"Tempestuous"... very good word for him. ((for some reason, the first time I looked, I read it as Temptatious ^^; )) I like Hisoka a lot and were it not for Hijiri, he'd most certainly be my favorite character. I can say that he's in a veeery close second though.
Hisoka reminds me of myself when I was younger. I would avoid everyone and not try to create relationships with them because I was convinsed that all they wanted was a fair weather friend who they could ditch whenever they wanted. Though, with Hisoka, it seems more like he just doesn't know how and/or won't. Like he's afraid that he'll lose them after he's finally found someone to care for.
There was something else I was going to say but I can't remember what it was TT-TT aaarg... sorry TT0TT
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laustic
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Yeah, tempestuous does fit Hisoka. For some reason I really like that word. I'm a little tempestuous myself and of course it's not always a good thing.
Jani_chan, I agree with you that Hisoka acts cold because he fears of losing people if he cares for them.
If you remember what you wanted to say be sure to post it!
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Jani_chan
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still can't remember what I was going to say, but I came up with a question.
Why does Hisoka look so girly? His mother, Rui, was attractive, but he didn't seem to get many traits from her. And his father was a masculin and a half) STUD! WTF happened? Alla sudden Hisoka's practically a girl XD;
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laustic
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Hisoka's feminine features are simply to show how young he is and if he was able to grow up he might have developed a more masculine body. His looks come from his father so maybe his father looked pretty feminine too as a child.
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sapphiredragon
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Also, because he was pretty much "ill" the last 3 years of his life, he wouldn't have been able to build any muscle.
Part of his girly look is the fact that he's so thin.
And yeah, when his father was younger, he probably looked much the same way.
Also, look at what Muraki looked like when he was Hisoka's age. The only reason Hisoka still looks like a girl is because he was still young and didn't have any chance to build muscle.
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laustic
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Yeah, it's true that Hisoka's illness probably had some bearing on his physical being. Maybe Hisoka would always have a delicate figure even if he grew up. He did say that he didn't build muscle very well and might have been true even before the illness.
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Jani_chan
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aah, thanks. I just looked at his father and can't imagine the man ever being girly. Perhapse I'm just running out of things to say ^^;;
*shuts up now*
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pyro_o
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I think that Hisoka himself is such a weirdo, yeah. His family is messed up as it is, he's got empathy, and he's what? You don't say- I don't think he looks like a girl at all, nope.
XDDD
His daddy looks certainly handsome, I thought. Until he got all.. well. Yeah. 
Might get his girliness there? He's got a good mix of genes, kinda. Just.. not so much on temper. XDD
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laustic
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It's true Hisoka doesn't look like a girl (thank god for that) but he does have some feminine features. I also agree that his father is pretty hot, although he is a bastard.
And boy, you're right about Hisoka's temper. He has quite a bad one!
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Lexxie_Soka
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What you guys were talking about Hisoka looking girly is probably true. In the artbook (I think it was the artbook) The creater made a picture of what Hisoka would have looked like had he been able to grow.
Funny how he gets to be taller than Tsuzuki xD;
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pyro_o
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LOL THAT PICTURE HAS MADE MY DAY. XDDDDDDD
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laustic
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Nagare looks pretty tall in the later manga so I don't find it a surprise that Hisoka would have been tall if he was able to grow up.
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pyro_o
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'soka-chan is..
Jesus, I thought I"d never say this about him.
HE'S MANLY. WTF. HIS SHOULDERS ARE BROADER. THERE'S NO WAY TERAZUMA CAN KISS HIM THINKNG OF HIM AS A SEX OBJECT (..a feminine sex object, anyways) NOW. 8DD!
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laustic
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I guess that I would have to say that I prefer Hisoka as a short, slender young man than being all buffed. He's cute either way, but I'm used to seeing him as someone with slender shoulders ^^
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Jani_chan
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| laustic wrote: | | I guess that I would have to say that I prefer Hisoka as a short, slender young man than being all buffed. He's cute either way, but I'm used to seeing him as someone with slender shoulders ^^ |
I have to go with you there, Laustic. But I do want to see him somehow looking more like his father. I think Hisoka's more Seme anyways. I mean. He slaps Tsuzuki around enough.
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laustic
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I guess since I see Hisoka as the uke maybe that's the reason why I prefer the way he looks now.
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pyro_o
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LOL he's like a.. demanding uke? 8D;
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laustic
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I think he would be a demanding uke  I think he would be the boss of that relationship!
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laustic
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I've read how some fans think that Hisoka doesn't fit the profile of a Libra, but I have to say that I disagree with that very much. The reason? Well, I'm the reason. Personality wise, I'm very much like Hisoka and I'm a Libra (born October 7!) Hisoka (and myself) like balance and we both try to maintain peace. Example: In the Kids and I story Hisoka mentioned how it was up to him to fix the problem. Watari and Tsuzuki turning into kids caused chaos and Hisoka brings it upon himself to fix it. That is a Libran (sp?). In the archery contest of volume 4 after Tsuzuki and Terazume started fighting Hisoka realized that he couldn't depend on them and it was up to him to finish the contest. Hisoka also firmly believes in justice (another trait of a Libra). He didn't care about winning the contest but he couldn't stand the idea of the sisters winning through cheating.
How Hisoka and I are not Libras is that we aren't outgoing. But then, I can't be completely sure if Hisoka isn't outgoing because of his empathy or is it his personality. In the King of Swords arc (in the manga) Hisoka commented how he would be enjoying himself at the party if it wasn't for his empathy. That did make me wonder how much his ability (and his family life) affected his personality.
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laustic
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It's funny, I was reading over a translation of one of the YnM drama cds and in it Hisoka was seriously chowing down on dinner and Watari even makes a comment to him about eating so much. Hisoka replied that when it comes time to eat his hunger comes in waves. I found this interesting since most people (myself included) write about him barely eating anything. I'm definitely going have to include this in one of my fanfics. 
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Jani_chan
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| laustic wrote: | I've read how some fans think that Hisoka doesn't fit the profile of a Libra, but I have to say that I disagree with that very much. The reason? Well, I'm the reason. Personality wise, I'm very much like Hisoka and I'm a Libra (born October 7!) Hisoka (and myself) like balance and we both try to maintain peace. Example: In the Kids and I story Hisoka mentioned how it was up to him to fix the problem. Watari and Tsuzuki turning into kids caused chaos and Hisoka brings it upon himself to fix it. That is a Libran (sp?). In the archery contest of volume 4 after Tsuzuki and Terazume started fighting Hisoka realized that he couldn't depend on them and it was up to him to finish the contest. Hisoka also firmly believes in justice (another trait of a Libra). He didn't care about winning the contest but he couldn't stand the idea of the sisters winning through cheating.
How Hisoka and I are not Libras is that we aren't outgoing. But then, I can't be completely sure if Hisoka isn't outgoing because of his empathy or is it his personality. In the King of Swords arc (in the manga) Hisoka commented how he would be enjoying himself at the party if it wasn't for his empathy. That did make me wonder how much his ability (and his family life) affected his personality. |
Omfg, you're the 7th? I'm the 8th! <3
lol. I'm a lot like Hisoka too. Unlike you and him though, I'm quite outgoing. I think it's a given that Hisoka would have been a very different person were it not for his empathy. First of all, he would have most likely turned into the "perfect little Kurosaki clone". I believe that's how he put it. But had he still died at the hands of Muraki, he would have gotten along much better with the others. And he'd probably be just like the rest of Tsuzuki's partners, appearing for a little while, then disappearing. His empathy played a big part in his staying with Tsuzuki. So no empathy would likely mean no Hisoka in Yami no Matsuei. Unless of course there was some different reason for him to stay with Tsuzuki that Yoko worked into the pages.
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laustic
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Oh yeah, his empathy does play a big part of his personality. If he wasn't an empath then he wouldn't be the Hisoka I know and love. I also have to agree that it is his empathy that keeps him connected to Tsuzuki, or at least it helps him stay close to him.
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Editor
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| laustic wrote: | | Oh yeah, his empathy does play a big part of his personality. If he wasn't an empath then he wouldn't be the Hisoka I know and love. I also have to agree that it is his empathy that keeps him connected to Tsuzuki, or at least it helps him stay close to him. |
I've always wondered why or how Hisoka got he's empathy in the first place?? Was it genetic. Just a coincidence. A part of the family curse?
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laustic
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I always figured it was a coincidence that Hisoka was born with empathy. I know that some fans believe that Hisoka's power came from the family curse, but I don't agree with that.
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Jani_chan
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Iiiinteresting. A few different things come to mind.
Could Hisoka be a genetic mutation? Like in X-men? Could it be the curse? Could it be something else?
My first thought is inbreeding (don't ask me why). My brain is somehow crossing inbreeding and spirituality. Inbreeding creates birth difficulties and mental problems. Hisoka, due to the family's high stature would likely be the child of many many high standing "nobles" (sorry, I know more about the english than the Japanese.... would they be called nobles?). And he lives in a village. Were this village farther away from civilization than one could travel to easily or a place where people didn't go much, then the families could all be inbreeding due to lack of travelers or people moving and out of the village. lol that's just cuzI don't know much about the place and people I guess. I don't know if I made my point....
Anyways, mutating genes sounds like it could be too. The theory of evolution states that over many many years, creatures change to adapt to their surroundings. Humans have been alive for a while, and we're said to be smart. Maybe Hisoka's the start of something much bigger?
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pyro_o
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Jani, as much as I love you, I am sorry to say that I've just had the image of a chibi-Hisoka popping out of a test tube that Watari had just drawn.
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8D;;;;;
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Jani_chan
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| pyro_o wrote: | Jani, as much as I love you, I am sorry to say that I've just had the image of a chibi-Hisoka popping out of a test tube that Watari had just drawn.
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8D;;;;; |
and very displeased about it xDD;;;
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Editor
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lol!!! Actually I think you may have something very meaningful there. Mutations do occur because of incest and with the spiritual nature of the curse I wouldn't be surprised if the mutation in Hisoka's case just happened to be a spiritual one.
I mean since inbreeding is common to high status families and since the village is pretty forsaken in terms of proxy, thus cancelling out the any potential foreign partners. It is very probable that inbreeding happened. I mean I doubt anyone from the village is going to procreate with them. >.<
Jani fries my brain, I'm going to have to think on it a little more.
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Jani_chan
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| Editor wrote: | | Jani fries my brain, I'm going to have to think on it a little more. |
lol sorry, I guess the energy drink I'd been chugging at the time made my brain work.
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Editor
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| Jani_chan wrote: | | Editor wrote: | | Jani fries my brain, I'm going to have to think on it a little more. |
lol sorry, I guess the energy drink I'd been chugging at the time made my brain work. |
Your brain never stops working, I think I could use some of that, mine needs a jump start, I think I'm quite near wide-eye'd drooling at this stage, and no, it has nothing to do with the partially naked Touda picture on my computer.
On topic:
If Hisoka's empathy is genetic do you think if he'd have lived he would have passed it onto he's children?
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Jani_chan
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That is a question I didn't think about. Perhapse it would have gone on, but the gene for empathy seems to me to be a recessive one. Were it dominant, it would be running through his bloodline in multiple people already. I'm thinking about the box we learned about in biology. It's very basic compared to the boxes that show an entire human being... what's it called... geo something? Bio something? .... anyways, the basic form looks kind of like this.....
Let's say that the letter E is the symbol for empathy. The capital letter typically symbolizes the dominant gene. The lowercase letter would symbolize the recessive gene. To get Hisoka's empathy, the child would have to inherit it from both parents. Hisoka's symbol would have to be ee because the only way to get the recessive trait is to have only the recessive trait in his gene. EE or Ee would all have the dominant gene, or, not be empathic. so Hisoka would be the one fourth of the box that was recessive, the ee. For him to have children with empathic abilities, he would have to have a woman who also carried the gene. I'm not sure how many people there are out there with the empathic gene, but it's not likely he would find one. But if he found a woman who had a heterozaigus empathic gene, then he would have a 75% chance of having a child with the empathic ability.
... Oo did I just say that? Well, there are smart people out there. Please tell me if I explained this wrong. I think I was right around where I was supposed to be.
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laustic
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You know, I always did get confused with those square thingies. I never seem to be able to do them right.
It would be interesting to see this topic actually discussed in YnM. I love to see Yoko have Hisoka explore his empathy a little more. Maybe it could be brought up in the arc about his family.
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Editor
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You might have to wait for a more intelligent reply, but from what I remember from secondary school education that looks accurate enough as well as insightful.
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Jani_chan
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| laustic wrote: | You know, I always did get confused with those square thingies. I never seem to be able to do them right.
It would be interesting to see this topic actually discussed in YnM. I love to see Yoko have Hisoka explore his empathy a little more. Maybe it could be brought up in the arc about his family. |
What part did you get confused with?
and I agree. I wish she would continue T-T
| Editor wrote: | | You might have to wait for a more intelligent reply, but from what I remember from secondary school education that looks accurate enough as well as insightful. |
intelligent is in the eye of the beholder and the ear of the listener. But thank you for not laughing at me for trying to remember school from two years ago ^^;
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Editor
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I can't possibly if I'm doing the same thing. I think I might have a science book around here somewhere. I'll edit this if I find it.
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laustic
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| Jani_chan wrote: | | laustic wrote: | You know, I always did get confused with those square thingies. I never seem to be able to do them right.
It would be interesting to see this topic actually discussed in YnM. I love to see Yoko have Hisoka explore his empathy a little more. Maybe it could be brought up in the arc about his family. |
What part did you get confused with?
and I agree. I wish she would continue T-T
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Whenever I had to do the squares in biology in high school I never could get it right. Somestimes I thought I finally understood it, but then my teacher would hand me back my assignments and most of them would be marked wrong. I think they're interesting, as long as I don't have to do them!
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Editor
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You know you love Hisoka when you want to scientifically study him.
Okay I'm doing a new topic.
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laustic
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| Editor wrote: | You know you love Hisoka when you want to scientifically study him.
Okay I'm doing a new topic. |
Hahaha, I want to study Hisoka!
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Jani_chan
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I'm seriously putting thought into it. But I'd need him here to do experiments on him... I have the feeling he'd hate my Watari side XD;;;;
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Editor
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Watari: Don't worry bon, its just a few tests to see if you're doing alright
Hisoka: =__=;; what are you doing, the curse marks aren't that far south
Watari: you never know bon....
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laustic
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| Editor wrote: | Watari: Don't worry bon, its just a few tests to see if you're doing alright
Hisoka: =__=;; what are you doing, the curse marks aren't that far south
Watari: you never know bon.... |
Well, Watari has to be thorough
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Jani_chan
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OMFG lol *ded*
I wonder how he'd react to the "turn your head and cough" test.
Hisoka: O.O!!!!!!!!!!
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pyro_o
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LOL COCO PERV WHILE YOU CAN. *points to resolution*
(and I'm still grinning like a maniac because of that, coco-chan. you amazing thing, you. XD)
poor 'Soka. I don't know if he'd be able to stand up to all that Watari-oppressive energy. 8DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD;;
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Jani_chan
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Why is it that when I try to imagine Hisoka in the doctor's offie, he's clinging to the ceiling like a freaked cat? XDDDD
boy oh boy, Hisoka, your strange genes (and hot jeans) make us want you...
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laustic
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I think Hisoka would have good reason to be scared of the doctor's office
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Jani_chan
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multiple good reasons xDDDDD poor kid. *petpets Soka and is slapped for it* XD;;;;
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laustic
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I was reading YnM last night and for the hundredth (maybe millionth) time I can't get over Hisoka's lovely eyelashes. Seriously, I'm jealous, he has these gorgeous, lush lashes and I wish my eyelashes could look like that. It's pretty sad to be jealous of a fictional character, but I can't help it!
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Jani_chan
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lol I know what you mean.
Who was it who kept calling him "Butterfly Eyes"? Of course, Hisoka has many names besides that. Lessee..... other than that, I also remember someone calling him "Prickly Pants" which eventually evolved into "Cactus C**k" due to a mixing of Riko and Hisoka XD;;;;;;; I hush now
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laustic
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Butterfly Eyes? That's certainly an interesting nickname for Hisoka. Is it because his eyelashes flutter like the wings of a butterfly? Hee, I rather like that nickname.
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Jani_chan
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It certainly does work ^^ lol, thanks to his temper, I doubt that many people would call him that to his face though. He'd like... psychic attack them or something... well, not really. I'm seeing the anime in my mind right now, his face turning red and him yelling "shut up!" lol. poor guy. Bet he hates how pretty he is <3
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laustic
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With Yuma and Saya trying to dress him up like their own personal doll who can blame him for hating being pretty! Of course the fact that Muraki called him beautiful (I think) the night he raped him probably didn't help things either.
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