Pairings you don't like?

Hyperaesthesia · Pairings you don't like?

I hope this is allowed. If not, I won't complain when it disappears.

So what pairings don't you get in YnM? Whether it's pairings that you hate or get squicked by, pairings that seem unlikely or pairings that you just don't 'get' the appeal in.

YnM is unusual for me, since in most fandoms I stick to a handful of pairings unless something sounds really interesting or well-written. But there's very little I won't try in YnM fanfiction. The only one I really don't like is romantic, fluffylicious Muraki/Tsuzuki. Creepy, obsessive, guilt-ridden Muraki/Tsuzuki I do like, but I can't see them in a normal relationship at all. Firstly, Muraki doesn't seem entirely sure what he wants to do with Tsuzuki, and secondly, Tsuzuki isn't going to forget that Muraki has murdered and tortured quite a lot of people, including his partner. The only way I can see a reciprocal relationship working if is Tsuzuki's character dramatically changed.. maybe not neccessarily OOC, but perhaps if he underwent a massive breakdown, stopped caring about everything and did have the darker side that Muraki keeps referring to. That could be interesting if it was done well (and awful if it wasn't). But without a lot of character development, I really don't see Muraki and Tsuzuki frolicking off into the sunset any time soon.

So, anyone else? Discussion is good, but obviously, let's keep things civil.

Paurie

Things I've seen out there that I don't like... XD

Hisoka/Tatsumi
Hisoka/Watari
Hisoka/Muraki :O
Muraki/Tatsumi.....

Let me just saw what I do like and save alot of time. Very Happy

Hisoka/Tsuzuki, Tsuzuki/Tatsumi, Tatsumi/Watari, and I think a Watari/Tsuzuki is pretty cute. X3 (Muraki, no men for you! :O)

Rhea-sama

What I hate about 99.9% of MurTsu fics out there is that they COMPLETELY IGNORE HISOKA. I mean.. honestly. Our little near and dear empath Devensive McPricklypants is NOT going to be 'okay' with that.

And then they tend to ignore Tsuzuki's feelings for Hisoka too.

I don't mind them, but.. I can't stand them not done well. (IE ignoring the actual YnM universe for the sake of 'hot/dark man smex)

Actually that last thought sums up most of what I don't like about 'poorly written' pairings or whatever XD

There has to be more to a story than "OMG THEY R SOOO HOTZ TOGEZZER"

...and that's a lot of caps because I'm too lazy to use the formating keys right now.. but it's.. 5 AM XD

admin

I'm the kind of person that likes all pairings, and loves a handful out of them. And theres always the ones I like less than others but I very rarely hate them, I just don't look for them as a core of the story. Overall it's how it is done as oppose to what is done with me.

My cousin is talking about /stuff/ and its killing my concentration, I'm trying not giggle >< why do people automatically assume because I'm quiet I can't hear them

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Paurie

Heh... I would read it, though. You sound like you have a good writing style. :3

admin

^^; I just realised I like read most of the pairings Paurie loathes lol

I didn't like Tsu/Mur much I KNOW there is good stuff on this pairing out there somewhere, I just can't find it, though I have to admit I haven't been looking very hard for YnM fics lately, so that could be it as well. Because I wasn't much of a fan on the pairing I wrote a very short one shot on it here. Read if your interested: http://yaminomatsuei.myfreeforum.org/ftopic80.php

And I look forward to Blaises Tsu/Mur fic as well. Good luck.

laustic

I can't stand the Muraki/Tsuzuki pairing. I simply cannot buy that Tsuzki would ever want or love Muraki. Tsuzuki loves humanity way too much to develope feelings for someone who wants to destroy it.

admin

*sweatdrop* just realised Blaise said Tatsumi/Muraki and not Tsuzuki/Muraki, my mistake.

I love every pairing if done right as I said in my ff.net rambles and here already. I just find it baffling when others see Tsuzuki's love directed towards Tatsumi or Muraki instead of Hisoka, or the other two options as being more canon than Tsusoka. I mean, love whatever pairing you like, ship it all you want, but don't get deluded about the actual original story, or put other pairings down. Everyone has their preferences.

I'm laid back, lay it on me if it's good and I'll read it. Crazy old me. I love my crack.

Back to Blaise, now I am DEFINTELY excited about reading that. If you do get round to writing it, please do post it here.

Veleda

This is a delicate subject, with much potential for disaster, but I'm jumping in anyway. I have such strong opinions on this. I just can't resist when actually asked.

I strongly dislike all consensual Muraki/Shinigami fics. Honestly, they make me a little nervous. Do people understand how sick it would be, how uncaring you'd have to be to date someone who raped and/or tortured a friend of yours. I believe that Shinigami are good people at heart. Entering a relationship with Muraki would be beyond cruel to Tsuzuki and/or Hisoka.

I posted my feelings on Muraki/Tsuzuki in locked post in my lj. I'm reposting it here.

I really, really dislike the Muraki/Tsuzuki pairing, at least as a consensual relationship. Why? Lots of reasons. First is the fact that Muraki is bugfuck insane. I doubt he'd even be able to understand how to have an even somewhat normal relationship with Tsuzuki.

Another reason? Ok, fangirls, listen closely: rape is not love, and molestation is not heavy flirting. Both of these things are assault, and they are bad. Sheesh, do we really have to go over this. Muraki's harassment does not mean "wow, he tries so hard. He really deserves Tsuzuki." Yes, I have heard that argument before. If I try really hard to cheat on a test (hey, better than studying), does that mean I deserve an A? Of course not. Immoral behavior doesn't deserve rewards. How difficult is this?

Also, we should remember what Muraki does to people: he uses them up and throws them away. Muraki would not be able give Tsuzki anything. Eventually he would break Tsuzuki, and then what would he do? Keep the shell around? He's more likely to toss out the broken doll.

Let's try another idea on for size. Say that Muraki realizes that Tsuzuki will break eventually, and figured that the best course is to change him so that the relationship can, um, work. (There has to be a better word than "work." Maybe "be utterly fucked up.") For the sake of argument, let's say it works. What's the problem? A Tsuzuki who would be comfortable (or at least able to tolerate) what Muraki's doing would be a Tsuzuki completely berift of all the complexities and contradictions that drew Muraki to him in the first place. That's hardly what I'd call a satisfactory ending.

Now we get to slightly more controversial reasons. You know how crazed fans will screech "This character gets in the way of my favorite pairing!"? (Is my grammar off there?) Well, in the case of Muraki, Tsuzuki, and Hisoka, frankly, that's true.

First, there's the fact that Hisoka keeps Tsuzuki from slipping into utter self-loathing, and keeps him strong enough resist the temptations that Muraki sets in front of him--mainly the temptation to fall into complete despair. Looking at it this way, it's really reasonable that some Muraki/Tsuzuki fans hate Hisoka. Can you believe that the brat has the gall to make Tsuzuki happy and stable? What a rotten character.

Then there's the fact (and this is probably the biggest issue for me), that, you know what? Muraki raped, tortured, and murdered Hisoka. Can you imagine willingly dating the person who raped and tortured your best friend? That is a really serious betrayal. You would have to be a very, very callous asshole. Tsuzuki is not a callous asshole. He has compassion and integrity shooting out his ears. I cannot see him disregarding Hisoka like that. I just can't.

I have seen some very odd Muraki defense. I mean odd in the "whatever you're on has got to be illegal" sort of way. I remembered a real, uh, gem, so I went to search for it. It was worse than I remembered.

>>Just the fact that he raped Uke-chan (as I call Hisoka) doesn't instantly make him disgusting.

Ok, first of all: HISOKA TOPS YOU AND YOUR MURAKI LOVING ASS. So lay off the dumbass insults.

Second of all, you know what? RAPE MAKES YOU A DISGUSTING PERSON. RAPISTS ARE VILE AND HORRID. EVEN IF THEY'RE HOT.

I don't hate Muraki. I usually find him fascinating, with an occasional touch of "Oh, you magnificent bastard," however, my liking him doesn't change the fact that he's a horrible person.

Jani_chan · Urg....

I know I'm going to be very hated for this but I very much dislike the Tsuzuki/Hisoka pairing. I always enjoyed the thought that Hisoka saw Tsuzuki as his saving grace and gave him the father/mother/sister/brother he'd never had before. Thethought of them being lovers just didn't hit me right I guess. I don't know, it just doesn't settle right with me I guess. I've read some hott ones that really make me wish that I liked the pairing, but I just found myself imagining Tsuzuki as some other character and grinning about it. A friend of mine, known on the net as Lady Rinoa, is a great fan of Tsu/Hi and writes them a lot, and she almost converted me ino a lover of the fics, but my heart just says no....

Okay, you may commence the verbal terrorizing that comes with the words I have just spoken. Please...be gentle....*cringes away in fear*

Veleda

You're not going to get any verbal terrorizing from me. I know the feeling of, "I wish I could see these two as a pairing, but I like them so much better as friends." I have quite a few.

Hyperaesthesia · Re: Urg....

suzoka

MurakixTsuzuki

okay this pair just flat out creeps me out.....
[no offense to all MurakixTsuzuki fans]

admin

pyro_o

Hm. (LATE POSTER. OH, WELL.)

Tsuzuki and Hisoka. Where do I START? However. That's for another thread.

A pairing I don't like? Why..

Muraki and Tsuzuki. It's immoral, wrong, and downright nasty when you think about it. XP

Also! Anything really having to do with Enma. >_>;;

Jessie_luvs_Muraki

*Breaths in, breaths out. Prepares for verbal lashing*

Not a fan of Tsu/His fics.

Absolutly NOTHING wrong with liking this at all but in a way, I see them as brotherly figures too. And also, sometimes Hisoka can look a bit young and the term "jailbait" creeps into thought. But I guess whatever abuse I get I deserve here because hey, I love Mur/Tsu together and is as proud as any Tsu/His fan. Like I said in my other posts, ppl have different views and it's pefectly fine (liking Muraki does not make me "twisted") and putting down other pairings is a little harsh. SO many well done fics about Mur/Tsu out there. Just to name a few:

Blossoms and Blood By lyrebird (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1673537/1/)

Heal me Broken By elveljung (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2379464/1/)

Two People on Opposite Sides of the River By E. Liddell (http://www.moonliteshadow.net/amethystroses/fics/MURAKI3.HTM) My personal fav. I mean OMG it has insight and the use demons + the whole idea of Hell and Heaven and such is beautifully played out. There is a sequl if anyone's interested. Just as good as the first I must add. Anyone interested in having a fan-girl squeal about it with me? ~_-

Dark Adaptation By Napap (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2199431/1/) 2nd fav and for good reason. *gushes*

pyro_o

Jailbait.

Oh my GOD- that's such a great way to describe the boy, even if I'm a Tsusoka fan. Seriously.

and I applaud you for being so proud of a pairing that is my closet-like one. 8D

Jessie_luvs_Muraki

Sankyuu! Nobody ever applauded me for my bravery before, well, unless you count trying to pull off cosplay costumes only anime characters ever dream of achieving.

I find it weird I dislike such pairings (called shota I think) yet I like someone like Muraki. Meh, his smexy hair distracted me from logic. Very Happy

pyro_o

lol yeah, it'd be called 'shota', probably bcz it's got an attraction to a childlike figure; if Hisoka is childish, then it'd be shota. Personality wise, it'd be as if Tsuzuki was the child, though. XD

(don't pay attention to me- I'm listening to Latin songs from a Korean concert choir. do NOT pay any attention. XD)

really? Well.. first time for everything- even for applauding your courage. Very Happy

Rhea-sama

Oh I don't like WatarixHisoka... it's just.. "What the hell????" There is NO chemistry between them and there's.. really no.. just.. no XD It's just.. so not going to work.

pyro_o

I've read a few of those- I don't think it's terrible, but the characterization is so WARPED, I can't bring myself to read any of that pairing and think that it was well written. *hides*

Jessie_luvs_Muraki

I think deep down no matter how much we tell ourselves that we don't judge the quality of the fic based on pairings, we so do. But then again, why would we be reading about a pairing we don't like in the first place.

Hehe, I think Wat/His pairing falls a bit into the crack section. Just sooo weird, like Touda with....anyone.

pyro_o

I dunno- I don't mind Suzaku and Touda so much. XDD

Rhea-sama

I still prefer Byakko/Suzaku XD He actually likes her XDDDD

But there are a few Suzaku/Touda things out there

pyro_o

yepp. such as that one.. what? Darkness Unleashed series, if I'm not mistaken. XD

Jessie_luvs_Muraki

Now that I think aboot it, it sounds interesting. Does anyone have the link?

pyro_o

it's up somehwere on ff.net!! and it's a great story.. *has no idea of URL*

Jessie_luvs_Muraki

Oh its fine, I'll find it eventually, lol. OMG you joined on my b-day! Ok, that has nothing to do with anything.

*sigh* Reading old posts before mine and wow, some things ppl say are really tearing out my heart here. You don't like the pairing, I get it, you feel the need to explain why you don't like it, I get that too. But hard-trashing Muraki?! Makes my heart hurt just a bit. *sigh* Wow, I sighed a lot more today since I joined this forum than I usually do before.

Veleda

Shota is a pairing involving a prepubescent boy. Hisoka is well past puberty. I always figure that it's not Hisoka's fault that he's going to look young forever.

I would never trash Muraki. He's my second favorite character. Sure I'll say that he's a cruel, cold hearted asshole and an evil, sadistic bastard, but those are established facts! That's why I like him! A soft Muraki wouldn't be any fun.

Honestly, I've been trying to understand the Muraki/Tsuzuki pairing for ages. Would you mind if I asked you about it? I don't want to come of as inflammatory, but I want to see how a MurTsu fan looks at my concerns.

laustic

I've always said that Muraki is my all time favorite villian but I admit I loathe the Muraki/Tsuzuki pairing and I have trouble understanding why people like them so much. That said, I don't like flames and I don't make them. I used to be a Buffy/Spike shipper and I got flamed alot for liking that pairing and I actually had Buffy/Angel fans telling me I deserved to be raped for liking that pairing. I was shocked, to say the least. Anyway, Jessie_luvs_Muraki, I understand how you feel. If I ever made a comment that seemed like a flame, I'm sorry, it was not intentional.

pyro_o

Muraki is a bastard. That much is established. He's.. not nice. He's not very nice at all, really- which would really give him the feel of the evil criminal genius, and looking as great as he does gives him an extra bonus. XD

MurTsu I try- but it's been so dark and scary and rated beyond my age, I rarely read it. Curse you, 1992. XDDD

admin

pyro_o

Hyper.. athesia. whatever how you spell it. I'm sure she didn't mean to bash any pairings- just discuss the reasons why. Civillly. XD;

it's nice having some variety. Very Happy

admin

*flicks hands* I'm doing it again aren't?? I'm only kidding, I knew it was Blaise I was kinda half hoping to poke her out of hiding. I think it's good to have a variety of threads, I just wish I had some pairings I didn't like so I could add em. Nevermind.

pyro_o

*showers Coco with salt* >O

poke her out of hiding reminds me of a discussion in english today. only the phrase was 'dying in the moment'. odd prepositions, odd verb choice, odd phrase. XD;;

I did mean a variety of pairings. XD

admin

pyro_o

I never did say that it was a thread for pairings you liked. You can have a variety of pairings you don't like.

it was inappropriate. D:

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Jani_chan

Okies.... I'm very late here ^^;; I can't quote anything because I don't remember whi said what so I'm sorry TT-TT

I can't say I absolutely abhor Muraki. I mean, I play him enough times in RPs (even though in the last one he sorta caught on fire ^^;; ). And I greatly enjoy his character. Perhaps it is the fact that he's the #1 Hisoka antagonist ^^;;. Oh well (he's still a great character). I'm terribly off thread topic ^^;;

Erm. Watari and Hisoka... I'll have to try a fic of that now. I've attempted Watari Hijiri, but Rhea seemed a bit..... Oo? lol nvm

When I first came here the only character pairing that I didn't like was Tsuzuki/Hisoka. Now that I've been here for a while, I've coped with my demons and think they're adorable as long as they're not bombarding me from all sides. It makes me too sad. So for now (because I seem to fluxuate(sp^^;; ) between loving and hating pairings) I'll have to say that I hate any pairing that has to do with Konoe. Sorry Konoe^^;; but I just don't like you very much ^^;;

-_-;; Now I feel bad... (*goes to eat ice cream in depressed mood because she actually said she hated something*)

admin

Its a hate thread. Hate all you want. (Don't go over board though)

I can't think of any pairing I abhor, but I do perfer some pairings over others.

pyro_o

I don't mind most pairings- it's the type of story that bothers me the most. The pairing can be Konoe and Enma, for all I care- and if it's well written, I will not mind.

8D

Terrenea

By now it must be pretty damn obvious, but I'm a Tsuzuki/Muraki-fan. <3
I don't mind other pairings but this is the ultimate one.. Razz

I feel that the other pairings are easier to accept, by us and by the other characters in the stories..almost too easy. I like it angsty and tough, when it's almost impossible to coprehend.

But I agree that Muraki can have a little, LITTLE problem with the love-part, the desire-part he will manage superbly, I think. ^^

..btw, who said that it had to be LOVE?
In VF (Viewfinder by Yamane Ayano if anyone read it..if not DO it!!) does Asami ever say that he loves Akihito? No, Akihito is simply Asami's possession, and their whole relationship is almost based on sex-rape (especially in the beginning Twisted Evil

).. oh, sry, "sweet love-making" as Asami calls it..
But now I'm off-topic, so: over and out!

Chazmy

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Veleda

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Chazmy

Very good points. Very Happy

I for one am a all & all Muraki / Tsuzuki fan. I like a Varity of them. But it still goes back to ones taste and what pairing they favor more, just as you said.

This is how I see it, if you don’t like a pairing Don’t read the story made for them.

Ferar

I must admit....I can't stand Hisoka! *shudders* In the manga he just irritates me so much I want to throw him to Muraki again to get killed. I've tried everything from rereading the series to watching the anime to even reading fics with him as a main characters. Bleh!

And I'm surprised no one has made mention about Oriya, who by the way, wins against everyone*fanboys quietly in the corner*

pyro_o

XDDD now THAT'S a rare opinion in this forum- perfectly legitimate, mind you. Very Happy

(personally, I like him. because .. you know. he's uke-like. and all. XD)

Oriya is the MAN. >) *nods* but I've seen lots of weird pairings with Oriya that made me very surprised. I didn't know he was so popular! (even though Oriya/Muraki makes me happy deep down inside, I have to admit, I'm just unsettled about the thought of Muraki with anyone. XD)

Jani_chan

eeeeee!!! I love Oriya!!! But wait... this is a hate thread?... um... I dislike the Oriya/Hisoka pairing and the Tsu-Oriya pairing. I just don't see it. I wanna see TATSURYA!!! *ded*

Chazmy

I've read a Oriya / Tsuzuki story before and really didn't like it, but put Muraki / Tsuzuki / Oriya together and I'm all game XD

Pairings you don't like?

Urg....

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