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pyro_o · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject:

what are you sorry for? XDDDD

it's just my imagination, eh. *shrugs* but it would be kinda creepy, tho. Perhaps I'm just in denial about Muraki having a love of his life, and being human in some aspect like that. XD
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admin · Site Admin Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 1008

What to say of Muraki?

Where to start:

Muraki was clearly a psychopath with grandiose and manic thinking, but his erratic behaviour made it impossible for them to predict his next move. With each encounter he claimed to have a different purpose--eternal life, organ trafficking, the resurrection of his hated half brother--yet the resulting death and chaos remained the same.

This quote from the blossoms and blood fanfic defintely reflects my thoughts on Muraki.

I feel there is some connection between Muraki and Tsuzuki and that Muraki may not be entirely human because of book 8:

"We're abominations, the products of genetic experiments that violated the laws of nature. We who are born in the darkness must walk in it. There is no escape.....not for you....and not for me.....because we were never meant to exsist, we're the sons of men who wear the black mark upn their foreheads.

We are descenents of darkness"

He also mentions Tsuzuki and himself as being born from the belly of the same woman.

I think there is defintely something in this descendents of darkness thing.

As for Muraki as a person. I do honestly think he was just a man with a pretty detached and unemotional childhood who did want to help people at some point or another. Thats the man if Tsubaki didn't know than at least sensed. I think somewhere along the line with Saki escalating the mental trauma Muraki had already suffered, Muraki simply gave in to the evil inside him.

I think Muraki like Tsuzuki was born with a great and vast potential to do evil and be destructive, but where as Tsuzuki had a childhood that consisted of love and affection from Ruka, therefore abhorring the darkness inside of him and internalising he's pain. Muraki was never taught things like family love and real respect for human life, so he in effect externalizes he's pain submitting to the darkness inside of him.

They both walk a razor thin line between insanity and sanity because of their power, because they could be more than just human, because of many things out of their control. However circumstances have dictated very different paths for them.

And the people they are, are now the results.

(WTF am I talking about =?)
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Veleda · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 126 Location: State of Denial

I don't think Muraki is a sociopath. He has his friendship with Oriya and his love for Ukyou, and a full blown sociopath simply cannot form those type of bonds. I do think that he has anti-social personality disorder.

According to Psychology: Themes and Variations (Sixth Edition) by Wayne Weiten, "The antisocial personality disorder is marked by impulsive, callous, manipulative, aggressive, and irresponsible behavior that reflects a failure to accept social norms. Since they haven't accepted the social norms they violate, people with antisocial personality disorder rarely feel guilty about their transgressions. Essentially, they lack an adequate conscience."

According to my psych teacher a little while back, a person can have anti-social personality disorder without being a full blown sociopath.
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sapphiredragon · Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 144

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I chickened out of Pyschology.....to scared of the theorists and theories I'd have to learn.

*goes off to learn proper definition of socio-path*
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Rhea-sama · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: Hmm..

A sociopath/anti-social person is someone who simply has no conscience. That doesn't necessarily mean they actively always become serial killers, nor does it mean that they don't form 'friendships' of a sort--which they can later exploit if they so choose. (In Muraki's case, perhaps it's "I don't kill Oriya because he's useful to me <strike>and he's a really good shag.</strike> ((<---We really need HTML/the crossout function enabled. XDD))

I don't think they're necessarilly driven to compulsively do bad things--they just don't feel bad about it when they do. They're just sort of amoral--or perhaps 'nonmoral' would be a better phrase.

Now I need to go look up what the DSM-IV says about it.
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laustic · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 660 Location: Florida

Coco, I think you made a really good point about Muraki (and Tsuzuki).

kingofswords · Joined: 02 May 2007 Posts: 101 Location: UK

I am gutted I have come so late into this thread - but i will post here anyway XD

I always assumed Muraki only had Saki's head (and spinal column if you go by the manga) because it was the only part(s) he could save with the limited technology his 15(ish) year old self had available to him.

Also - Muraki and Tsuzuki are definitely linked because of Yukitaka (Muraki Kazutaka's grandfather) being the doctor who treated (and perhaps experimented on) Tsuzuki when he was still alive.

Also... it worries me how in book 8 (i think its 8...) EnMa says something about them being lucky to have got rid of the grandfather, but they might have to start worrying about the new Muraki (our muraki Wink

) I find this point VERY interesting, as it may mean that EnMa and others deemed Yukitaka too involved with Tsuzuki - like he knew too much...

Which begs many questions about Tsuzuki! But as we know, he has non human eyes and non human dna...

I also wonder about how Muraki lost his eye. Demon contract anyone? Why would the mangaka have a villain with one missing eye, not explain how it happened, and then have an arc about a demon contract being forged in mortal eyes?

I believe Muraki made a demon contract (perhaps to keep parts of Saki viable or even just for power??) and then gouged out his own eye to eliminate the contract so the issue of payment would not arise.

As for Ukyou... there are also many theories that she herself is not human - or that she is under some kind of curse... Exactly what Muraki has to gain from being with her I do not know - but there are even some thoughts that she is the source of his powers! Perhaps she is a Miko (right word??) Like Wakaba is and is Muraki's link to summoning demons and things like that?

ok... I'm done now XDDDD
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pyro_o · Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject:

if we're going by that theory, mayhap Ukyo is that demon he made said contract with?
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kingofswords · Joined: 02 May 2007 Posts: 101 Location: UK

perhaps she is - but I don't think so.

Actually - I think she is human (ish). Muraki's "I'm sorry Ukyou, forgive me" speech as he is 'dying' makes me think he was trying to make her well or break a curse on her - or something along those lines...

the question is why!?

But I do definitely believe my eye theory ... I will be gutted if it turns out to not be true! XD

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