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laustic

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Please share your theory when you think it all out.  |
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Chazmy

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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In my guess as to whether Tsuzuki's forbidden love was from when he was alive or in his after death. Will always be a mystery until * Yoko Matsushita* herself decides to reveal this great ambiguity.
I am trying hard to read between the lines here but I am still getting two theories on it.
First: that it is possible he had a forbidden love before his death. Back in the early years of the 1900-1920's gay love was a taboo { forbidden }. It was not something you would have a discussion about in every day conversations. If in fact he did have a love then it being another male. We would have to assume it would have to be before he went crazy { unless in other thoeries I have came across on reading. His forbidden love was infact Muraki's grandfather, In which I highly doubt.}. Being that he spent most his life running in fear of being different, labled a monster or demon. This leads me to believe that he did not have a forbidden love until his after life.
In the beginning of his career as a * God of death* it was hell. Volume 5 in Tatsumi's exact words stated this{ I don't know at what time they became partners. But it couldn't of been to long after Tsuzuki's death.}
I don't know but somewhere in that long line of work. Someone made him change. { I don't believe it was Tatsumi...[ I can explain more on that soon] } But someone we as readers have not heard or seen yet. Tsuzuki had a long line of partners. Could it be that perhaps one of them was his forbidden love. I see this being a more logical explanation.
Though Yoko Matsushita leaves our minds boggled at what the truth really could be. Our imagination is our own keys to unlocking that special door to countless possiblities. What we come up with in discovering the mysteries that Yami No Matsuei has to often, is priceless. A never ending quest.
She gives us the opportunity to find the loop holes she had created within the story and make it our own. That is what I love about Yami No Matsuei. Just when you think you have found out the answers. You find yourself turned back around clueless and starting all over again.
[ _________________ The world is only as great as your imagination. Mine is a scisofrenic perverted little monkey named Frankie!

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laustic

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Tsuzuki really only had his sister when he was alive so that is one of the reasons why I think it's her that is his forbidden love. Of course, you're right that it might be someone in his afterlife. I agree with you Chazmy, that Tatsumi isn't Tsuzuki's forbidden love. I don't know, to me when I read the manga and watched the anime I was given the impression that Tatsumi's feelings for Tsuzuki were clearly one-sided. I think Tsuzuki cared for Tatsumi has a dear friend while Tatsumi's feelings ran deeper. |
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Jani_chan

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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Chazmy wrote: | In my guess as to whether Tsuzuki's forbidden love was from when he was alive or in his after death. Will always be a mystery until * Yoko Matsushita* herself decides to reveal this great ambiguity.
I am trying hard to read between the lines here but I am still getting two theories on it.
First: that it is possible he had a forbidden love before his death. Back in the early years of the 1900-1920's gay love was a taboo { forbidden }. It was not something you would have a discussion about in every day conversations. If in fact he did have a love then it being another male. We would have to assume it would have to be before he went crazy { unless in other thoeries I have came across on reading. His forbidden love was infact Muraki's grandfather, In which I highly doubt.}. Being that he spent most his life running in fear of being different, labled a monster or demon. This leads me to believe that he did not have a forbidden love until his after life.
In the beginning of his career as a * God of death* it was hell. Volume 5 in Tatsumi's exact words stated this{ I don't know at what time they became partners. But it couldn't of been to long after Tsuzuki's death.}
I don't know but somewhere in that long line of work. Someone made him change. { I don't believe it was Tatsumi...[ I can explain more on that soon] } But someone we as readers have not heard or seen yet. Tsuzuki had a long line of partners. Could it be that perhaps one of them was his forbidden love. I see this being a more logical explanation.
Though Yoko Matsushita leaves our minds boggled at what the truth really could be. Our imagination is our own keys to unlocking that special door to countless possiblities. What we come up with in discovering the mysteries that Yami No Matsuei has to often, is priceless. A never ending quest.
She gives us the opportunity to find the loop holes she had created within the story and make it our own. That is what I love about Yami No Matsuei. Just when you think you have found out the answers. You find yourself turned back around clueless and starting all over again.
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This i probably something stupid for me to say, but could it possibly be Enma? There's something going on between the two of them, I know that. Perhapse, Enma's posessive ways broke them apart from a time when Tsu was once in love with him and now Enma won't let him die because he's still convinced that Tu belings to him? Sorry ^^;; thinking in fangirl logic |
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laustic

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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| Jani_chan wrote: |
This i probably something stupid for me to say, but could it possibly be Enma? There's something going on between the two of them, I know that. Perhapse, Enma's posessive ways broke them apart from a time when Tsu was once in love with him and now Enma won't let him die because he's still convinced that Tu belings to him? Sorry ^^;; thinking in fangirl logic |
*blinks* Wow, Jani_chan that's a good possibility. I would never have thought of that. Everything you said about Enma is true and he does seem to harbor some kind of anger towards to Tsuzuki. Maybe he had feelings for Tsuzuki when he was alive and was angry that Tsuzuki killed himself. Also, Enma does mention that he'd hate for Tsuzuki's beautiful body being damaged. So obviously there's some kind of attraction right there. |
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Chazmy

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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: |
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It is a possiblity. I could see this happening. Enma seems to me { even though they do not go into great detail about him } that he would have a deep attraction for Tsuzuki. { and again I might be going out on the deep here } but maybe that is another reason why The Count doesn't force Tsuzuki to pay back his long owned debts. You notice how Tsuzuki always seems to be getting out of them. How Tsuzuki seems to be getting away with alot of things. _________________ The world is only as great as your imagination. Mine is a scisofrenic perverted little monkey named Frankie!

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Jani_chan

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lol, you gave me an image, Chaz.
Not sure how it hit me. Just was reading through this thread again and it occurred to me that a lowly mortal (not so mortal anymore) in love with a god would be foridden, wouldn't it? Though, I don't know much about Japanese gods. Mostly roman and greek.
(thank you for telling me when I have good points ^^;; they al seem stupid when they come from me) |
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Chazmy

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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| laustic wrote: | | Tsuzuki really only had his sister when he was alive so that is one of the reasons why I think it's her that is his forbidden love. Of course, you're right that it might be someone in his afterlife. I agree with you Chazmy, that Tatsumi isn't Tsuzuki's forbidden love. I don't know, to me when I read the manga and watched the anime I was given the impression that Tatsumi's feelings for Tsuzuki were clearly one-sided. I think Tsuzuki cared for Tatsumi has a dear friend while Tatsumi's feelings ran deeper. |
I think Tatsumi had more of a protective feeling toward Tsuzuki then love. He mentioned that tsuzuki reminded him of his mother. Someone that was always sad and crying.. Tatsumi couldn't take iit anymore and that is why he had confessed at killing his own mother to Hisoka in book 5. that is why he left tsuzuki as a partner. because it was such a great reminder of his mother and seeing that he couldnt protect her or him . he left
Quote from book 5:
Tatsumi: Tsuzuki was a wreck back then.Whenever we finished a job, he'd fall into a funk and sob. He would try to laugh whenever I was around with that sad tear streaked face. It was a pitiful sight. We were together all the time. But I could do nothing for him. At some point, I began to link that to my memories of my mother. It forced me to think about the crime I had committed. { I killed my mother } That's right. The truth is I didn't walk out on him! I didn't want to leave him! I just { I've taken the lives of thousands. } I couln't take it any more. Being by his side. { was driving me insane. It was to much for me. } That's why I walked out on him. To escape my own guilt and pain.
Tatsumi's guilt and pain I believe was the death of his mother My guess is that is why he left Tsuzuki because he didn't want to relive that. To feel those feeling of helplessnes again. To not be able to protect him. _________________ The world is only as great as your imagination. Mine is a scisofrenic perverted little monkey named Frankie!

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Chazmy

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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| Jani_chan wrote: | lol, you gave me an image, Chaz.
Not sure how it hit me. Just was reading through this thread again and it occurred to me that a lowly mortal (not so mortal anymore) in love with a god would be foridden, wouldn't it? Though, I don't know much about Japanese gods. Mostly roman and greek.
(thank you for telling me when I have good points ^^;; they al seem stupid when they come from me) |
LOL! your welcome.
I believe that it is forbidden. And maybe that is another reason why they are not together anymore. Gods and mortals are forbidden to love one another because of the risks of procreation. { Which also has me thinking about Tsuzuki's birth and how it is that he has half demon DNA } _________________ The world is only as great as your imagination. Mine is a scisofrenic perverted little monkey named Frankie!

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laustic

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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Tsuzuki was able to strongly relate to the professor because both had a forbidden love. I think this arc also strongly shows how torn apart Tsuzuki becomes when someone dies in front of him. Of course it also makes it worse because it was done to lure Tsuzuki in. I wish Matsushita would actually get into more about what happened in this arc. Ashitarote wanted to make Tsuzuki ruler of the dragons. Are we to believe that he just dropped the plan just like that? I think he wants Tsuzuki's power and I think that he would still be trying to get Tsuzuki on his side. Also, Ashitarote knows secret knowledge. He probably knows about Tsuzuki's blood line. There's so much in this arc that could be further explored in later chapters of YnM.
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